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# 311
06-22-2013, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kylephoenix3 View Post
Bug ship is an another p2w ship what fills its purpose. nothing more. standard STO business. Since STO is not canon, dunno why it has star trek in its name, if someone telling that bugship should be the weakest. Sure it should be, but this is not star trek. if its about pvp unballance, then wtf is ballanced in this game? Nothing, and never will.
Offended that your crutch is called for what it really is? A crutch?
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# 312
06-23-2013, 12:35 PM
There are two types of people: Those who have JHAS's, and those who complain about them and secretly wish they had one.

They're not the " Instant win" that everyone seems to think they are. I've been beaten by Defiants. I've been beaten by raptors. Hell , I got beat in a 1V1 by an Atrox the other day (damn feedback pulse!) While I win more than I lose, in the end it still comes down to the skill of the player and careful selection and use of of boff skills.
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# 313
06-23-2013, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sjokruhlica View Post
There are two types of people: Those who have JHAS's, and those who complain about them and secretly wish they had one.

They're not the " Instant win" that everyone seems to think they are. I've been beaten by Defiants. I've been beaten by raptors. Hell , I got beat in a 1V1 by an Atrox the other day (damn feedback pulse!) While I win more than I lose, in the end it still comes down to the skill of the player and careful selection and use of of boff skills.
I could not put it better. My raptor out dps' s my bug and I have 5 mkXII purple tac consoles while my raptor has 4 mkXI blues. Same exact boff layout. Almost the same skill points.
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# 314
06-23-2013, 02:11 PM
6 months old post...let it go
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# 315
06-23-2013, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kylephoenix3 View Post
Buff my Mogai, i paid for it. OP is the skill in this mmorpg. get OP crap and youre skilled.
NOT true. Gearing helps-it helps a LOT, but you can't buy skill, you have to actually develop it, as anyone who's won against a twinked Bugship using a Hegh'ta with common gear can attest.

Of course, there's also the standing question of "What IS OP?", I've got an engie in the Fleet Tor'Khat using no 'set gear' at all-but I'm kitting her in Fleet gear every time my fleet's "Purchase cooldown" ticks (we have buy-limits in our fleet to keep things available). I get some bloody absurd levels of performance off that rig, more DPS than my Tacs-and it's the GOOD DPS-as in BURST DPS able to be applied in a turning fight.

Is it OP? considering said engie has Omega T4 and New Romulus T2 (almost 3) after more than six months, I don't own ANY purple Doffs on ANY of my toons? and no rep grind gear or pre S7 sets?

well...maybe. I still die in Arenas if I'm not on top of things. In the present environment, the Bugship is an easier ride to get the most out of than almost any other escort, but is it enough to matter now? maybe not. The power creep is catching up to it.
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# 316
06-23-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
NOT true. Gearing helps-it helps a LOT, but you can't buy skill, you have to actually develop it, as anyone who's won against a twinked Bugship using a Hegh'ta with common gear can attest.
nope.
gear = win by calculator.
all the skill in the world wont change the outcome of a fight where your hitting for 200 dps with 20% resists and your attacker is hitting for 1k dps while carrying 70% resists.
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can you say attack pattern angry forumers 3?
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# 317
06-23-2013, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
nope.
gear = win by calculator.


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# 318
06-23-2013, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by captainedna View Post
no thanks.
i have tribes ascend, blacklight and planetside 2 among other games installed on my pc.
all of which have working pvp(shocker) in place of the chained exploits and animation locks this game calls 'skill'.

like i said
all the skill in the world wont change the outcome of a fight where your hitting for 200 dps with 20% resists and your attacker is hitting for 1k dps while carrying 70% resists.
dont get me wrong, even ghost recon online sufferes from the above 'win by calculator' example on account of scrubby 'premium' armor & ammo.

its just that this one is so mechanically broken beyond that, that i dont bother
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# 319
06-23-2013, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
no thanks.
i have tribes ascend, blacklight and planetside 2 among other games installed on my pc.
all of which have working pvp(shocker) in place of the chained exploits and animation locks this game calls 'skill'.

like i said
all the skill in the world wont change the outcome of a fight where your hitting for 200 dps with 20% resists and your attacker is hitting for 1k dps while carrying 70% resists.
dont get me wrong, even ghost recon online sufferes from the above 'win by calculator' example on account of scrubby 'premium' armor & ammo.

its just that this one is so mechanically broken beyond that, that i dont bother
Well if you like other games we get the Halo Dropship soon... And also I find that Skill makes a huge difference in PvP. I take ships that are often underpowered and easily run circles around players in far better ships. Simply because I know what I am doing. Is PvP perfect? Hell no. But it is not as bad as you make it sound.
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# 320
06-23-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
no thanks.
i have tribes ascend, blacklight and planetside 2 among other games installed on my pc.
all of which have working pvp(shocker) in place of the chained exploits and animation locks this game calls 'skill'.

like i said
all the skill in the world wont change the outcome of a fight where your hitting for 200 dps with 20% resists and your attacker is hitting for 1k dps while carrying 70% resists.
dont get me wrong, even ghost recon online sufferes from the above 'win by calculator' example on account of scrubby 'premium' armor & ammo.

its just that this one is so mechanically broken beyond that, that i dont bother
3 out of 20 that hit still does more damage than 10000 that doesn't. Skill includes more than stand and fire in neat little lines as anyone who's run light 'mechs successfully against Assault 'mechs can attest. (2 points that hit are worth more than 200 points that miss...)
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