Loved EVE.. Loved SWG...... Eve for the slow pace ....Swg for the skill tree, PvP, and crafting. The CU was like a nife in my hart, and now the game is DEAD. In this i hope it was a lesson for Devs that mabie the wishes of the beta testers should be taken into account. I now dont touch SOE games even if its free. I am wishing that STO is better than the two and not just some wow in space for 10year olds.