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# 41
07-02-2013, 07:05 PM
Me personally, I have no fear of reptiles, venomous or otherwise.
Part of that is I see a rather aggressive lizard (it's not a big one, but it's feisty!) often enough.
I learnt really fast how to handle them (grab them from behind the head, around the neck and they can't bite you).

Also, we have one of the world's top 3 venomous snakes (tiger snake) in our country, but the one and only time I saw it in the wild, it just crawled away.

So I guess with long term exposure, I just was used to their presence and not really disconcerted by them.


And ironically, I'm more repulsed by Caitians/Ferasans then Reptiles.
I'm not sure exactly why, but I think it's because it's borderline bad taste.
I've seen at least 2 Felinoid species in fiction and for the most part, they resemble simian humanoids.
In point of fact, if it wasn't for minor differences (one had prominent canines, the other had yellow eyes and pointed ears), you'd think they were simians.
So to me, the Felinoids in STO just look abherrant, like they're unnatural.


As for the Saurians, the thing I object to is grafting mammalian characteristics onto creatures that aren't mammals.

The Visitors or the Silurians are more realistic Reptilian species, that's what the Saurians should really resemble!
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# 42
07-02-2013, 07:51 PM
For some reason the Saurians and Rigelians creep me out visually. Don't know why.

And I can not in good conscience put a Pakled in command of anything more complicated than a toaster. An unplugged toaster at that.

Porthos is not amused.
Lt. Commander
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# 43
07-02-2013, 08:49 PM
I've read somewhere that the Gorn female is huge compared to the male and game development wise, they cannot physically fit a Gorn female in a regular doorway.
Also, some of the male exclusive species has lore related rational for not having female as playable.
If it weren't for Quark's mother in DS9, there would be no female Feraingi walking around.

There are lots of species of lizards/reptiles out there, so not everything lizard have to look like a Gorn. I like the unique way that the Saurian stands out.
For the most part, I think they need more non-humanoid species in Trek in general, but there is only so far the special effect/makeup budget would allow you to.

I agree Pakled are just too non-friendly lore wise to be a member of the Fed in the first place.

They have to have the Tellarite and Andorian as playable since they, along with human and Vulcans, are founding members of the Federation. TV wise, the Tellarite played a huge role in one of the story arcs of the later season of Enterprise.
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# 44
07-03-2013, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tilarta View Post
Me personally, I have no fear of reptiles, venomous or otherwise.
Part of that is I see a rather aggressive lizard (it's not a big one, but it's feisty!) often enough.
I learnt really fast how to handle them (grab them from behind the head, around the neck and they can't bite you).

Also, we have one of the world's top 3 venomous snakes (tiger snake) in our country, but the one and only time I saw it in the wild, it just crawled away.

So I guess with long term exposure, I just was used to their presence and not really disconcerted by them.


And ironically, I'm more repulsed by Caitians/Ferasans then Reptiles.
I'm not sure exactly why, but I think it's because it's borderline bad taste.
I've seen at least 2 Felinoid species in fiction and for the most part, they resemble simian humanoids.
In point of fact, if it wasn't for minor differences (one had prominent canines, the other had yellow eyes and pointed ears), you'd think they were simians.
So to me, the Felinoids in STO just look abherrant, like they're unnatural.


As for the Saurians, the thing I object to is grafting mammalian characteristics onto creatures that aren't mammals.

The Visitors or the Silurians are more realistic Reptilian species, that's what the Saurians should really resemble!
Um, last I heard Goannas DO have a weak sort of venom.

Although it's main effect is to speed up necrosis of the wound...
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# 45
07-03-2013, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tilarta View Post
Me personally, I have no fear of reptiles, venomous or otherwise.
Part of that is I see a rather aggressive lizard (it's not a big one, but it's feisty!) often enough.
I learnt really fast how to handle them (grab them from behind the head, around the neck and they can't bite you).
I've picked up a wild carpet python, to remove it from a friend's house, but I would not go near most venemous snakes. And I certainly wouldn't try to grab one by hand. Most venomous snakes in Australia are fast and aggressive.

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Originally Posted by collegepark2151 View Post
For some reason the Saurians and Rigelians creep me out visually. Don't know why
For me with the Saurians it's the fact that their head looks too much like a human skull.

I hadn't paid much attention to Rigelians but looking at their picture in the wiki I see a similar issue. Their head is a bit reminiscent of a human's with the skin removed.

All a bit grotesque.
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# 46
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Yeah, I'm not stupid enough to pick up a venomous reptile.
The lizard I referred to is Blue Tongue Lizard
Their bite is powerful, but not otherwise dangerous, as they lack teeth and venom.

Venomous reptiles are not that common, these are the known ones:

Komodo Dragon
Gila Monster (Mexico)
Bearded Lizard (Mexico)
Little Bearded Dragon (Australia)
Any reptile belonging to the Monitor or Iguania orders (Australia)

And the article did state that the Australian lizard venom isn't produced in high enough quantities to affect humans, although it is equivalent to rattlesnake venom.

The Komodo Dragon however, is another story altogether.
This lizard feeds on large prey and therefore, is quite capable of inflicting a serious, sometimes fatal dose on humans.


I'm not that bothered by the appearance of the Rigelians, their faces just look like they're covered in dried, cracked mud (texturally, not in color).
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# 47
07-09-2013, 02:14 AM
I think the main reason people choose the species they do, is because of the characters in each show. For example, not many people would choose Ferengi characters if it wasn't for Quark, Rom and Nog.

The only popular species that hasn't had a very notable appearance in the TV shows is the Caitians, really.

The Andorians would probably be ignored if it weren't for Shran on Enterprise. They were kind of a joke species in between TOS and Enterprise, really.
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# 48
07-12-2013, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tilarta View Post
Me personally, I have no fear of reptiles, venomous or otherwise.
Part of that is I see a rather aggressive lizard (it's not a big one, but it's feisty!) often enough.
I learnt really fast how to handle them (grab them from behind the head, around the neck and they can't bite you).

Also, we have one of the world's top 3 venomous snakes (tiger snake) in our country, but the one and only time I saw it in the wild, it just crawled away.

So I guess with long term exposure, I just was used to their presence and not really disconcerted by them.


And ironically, I'm more repulsed by Caitians/Ferasans then Reptiles.
I'm not sure exactly why, but I think it's because it's borderline bad taste.
I've seen at least 2 Felinoid species in fiction and for the most part, they resemble simian humanoids.
In point of fact, if it wasn't for minor differences (one had prominent canines, the other had yellow eyes and pointed ears), you'd think they were simians.
So to me, the Felinoids in STO just look abherrant, like they're unnatural.


As for the Saurians, the thing I object to is grafting mammalian characteristics onto creatures that aren't mammals.

The Visitors or the Silurians are more realistic Reptilian species, that's what the Saurians should really resemble!



You're assuming that the Saurians took the same evolutionary path that reptiles on Earth did. Which they did not, apparently.


That's why I like the Saurians. The fact that reptiles evolved some characteristics of mammals on their homeworld, is what makes them alien by Earth standards. The Gorn on the other hand, as much as I like them, are your generic "reptoids" (i.e. Earth type reptiles given humanoid form).
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# 49
07-13-2013, 12:14 AM
We really haven't any role models for a Saurian. The President of the Federation Council, Okeg (Geko spelled backwards), hasn't been seen in public since the game launched. Perhaps if that changed, interest in Saurians might improve?
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# 50
07-13-2013, 12:32 AM
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I've been wondering why I've seen so few Saurians, Tellarites and Pakleds in comparison to the many other species.

Do the players just not like to create them?

Makes me wonder why they were included at all if the above case is true.

I mean, they're minor races at best, hardly more then cameo appearances.
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