Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,247
# 51
07-19-2013, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by romeowhiskey4 View Post
And drag the person who thought it would be a quick and simple way for players to get their stuff by grinding reputation into the street and shoot them in the face.............too far?
Nah, I think you pulled back at exactly the right moment... you're good
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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 374
# 52
07-19-2013, 09:06 AM
Yo Dawg we heard you like grinding so we put some grind in your grind so you can grind while grinding

true story
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 970
# 53
07-19-2013, 10:58 AM
Sorry if I am repeating myself...

Around the time when "Legacy of Romulus" was released, I deleted four out of five of my avatars. I started a new Romulan tactical officer. Once I saw the limited access to duty officers, bridge officers, clothing, and ships, I tried to buy certain items from the exchange. As a result of players charging insane prices, I decided that the cost to run a Romulan was a little too expensive. Purple duty officers and consoles are being sold for insane amounts of ec. Even though the price for certain items is extreme, I tried to push forward with the reputation system. After a few weeks of repetition and cool down timers, I started to feel as if "Legacy of Romulus" didn't add anything distinctively new. While the new missions and ships are welcome, the endgame functionality has remained consistently repetitive. Regardless about what ship you are driving, the Romulan players are either Federation or KDF officers. If you played a tactical, engineer, and science Federation officer, you know exactly what its like to play a KDF and Romulan officer. You are just wearing a new skirt and driving a new ship.

Upon feeling the heavy repetition and grind, I started to prioritize my overall goals.

What do I want to accomplish?

How can I get the most out of the money, which I have invested into "Star Trek: Online"?

Do I want to repeat the same tasks across multiple avatars?

How will the overpriced exchange items affect my overall progress?

Will all the grinding interfere with having fun?

How can I progress while remaining casual?

Do I have the time and energy to balance multiple avatars?

Does the "Legacy of Romulus" feel different enough, so I can justify why I am spending money?

After feeling the weight of those questions, while matching them up with reality, I decided to delete my level fifty Romulan avatar. Since I have a lot of money invested into the Federation, I started and leveled a new engineering officer. During the engineer's leveling process, I purchased zen to finish fleshing out the faction. I bought new ships, inventory slots, bank slots, bank wide slots, etc... Once I got everything into place, I went back and consolidated everything. If something was taking up space, I tossed it without giving it a second thought. I asked myself, "What do I need? Where am I going? How will I get there? What unclaimed c-store items do I own?"

Here is where my avatars are now:

Tactical Officer
  • Federation: Bajoran
  • Level 50
  • Omega Rep: Tier 5
  • Romulan Rep: Tier 3
  • Nukara Rep: Tier 3

Engineering Officer
  • Federation: Vulcan
  • Level: 50
  • Omega Rep: Tier 3
  • Romulan Rep: Tier 3
  • Nukara Rep: Tier 3

When you have a Vulcan avatar with access to everything, you do not need to start over with a Romulan. As a result of buying c-store items for one avatar, I ended up buying them for all of my characters. If I want a ship with a cloak, I can always buy a c-store version of the Defiant.

Instead of owning several weak avatars, I am concentrating on building two strong ones.

Federation Romulans are Vulcans with forehead ridges.

Last edited by linyive; 07-19-2013 at 11:20 AM.
Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 21
# 54
07-19-2013, 11:31 AM
The only thing that really bugs me about the rep system is, the lack of expertise. Doing three rep's drains it terribly, and once you get to the tier your after. You need more expertise, I know the mirror event has high pay out, same as Borg invasions. Just a few of the usual grind missions, like the Romulan patrol, could at least reward some expertise, other than from what you kill.

Other than that annoyance, I don't find the reps that bad. I tend to play six of my alts and earn them all their 8k dilithum daily, and their marks. Well not all six for marks, as three are tier five everything already.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 17
# 55
07-19-2013, 01:17 PM
I actually don't mind the grind because I am doing in slowly and making progress sufficient to keep doing it without feeling obsessive. It's about an hour or so a day for me, which is manageable and fine.

I played back in 2010 but left after a few weeks. I can imagine that if you have a level 50 Fed player with a lot invested, it would likely be silly to invest in a new racial character -- that makes sense. I, however, left in 2010 because I could not play a Romulan. The Romulans were always my favorite ST race, and at the time of release the Fed side was, imo, a bit limited due to the overall game design, and KDF was even much more limited. So while I got a character to 50, I didn't stay, and didn't invest much.

Now, with the Romulans playable, I am quite happy because I like playing a Romulan. My fed character was also a Vulcan (next best thing), but again I did not have much invested in it. I much prefer flying the Romulan ships and wearing the Romulan gear and so on -- it's Romulan, not Fed.

As for grinds in general, grinding for extended periods is generally only tolerable in games where you have a very strong social network. Old school EQ was like that. Lineage II was kind of like that, too, although I never cared much for that. Entropia is like that too but I don't want to play a game that uses real currency as the base currency -- a bit too real for my taste. Even EVE is like that when people are mining or ratting or what have you. Grinding in an atmosphere where you don't have a lot of socialization going on can be a real drag, on the other hand.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 16
# 56
07-21-2013, 05:22 PM
grinding marks is quite easy, but yeah im typically starved for expertise on a regular basis.
Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 301
# 57
07-21-2013, 05:39 PM
The only part of the grind that bothers me is waiting 20 hours between projects. If I've got the resources I should be able to get the tiers quickly. Adding the arbitrary day long wait is BS.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 656
# 58
07-21-2013, 10:12 PM
Grinding for Omega Marks is easy enough for me since the STF's are all that interests me now...but the damn Romulan Marks, that's a different story.

The Rep system, for whatever reason it was created, failed for me.
I don't like it and it took true determination on my part to get 1 toon to Tier 5 on 1 Rep (Rom strangely enough).
The thought of getting all my toons to T5 forced me to lower my expectations.
No, they all won't have Mk XII Omega/Maco/KHG/Borg/whatever else is in there.

The only good thing about the Rep is it makes you appreciate the Exchange...and that's about it.
No cookie for the Rep system or it's creator (which I assume is Satan).

EDIT: Not having the unlocks account-wide is just plain wrong. Change it, Cryptic.
NO to ARC...Make It VOLUNTARY

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Last edited by rezking; 07-21-2013 at 10:16 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,203
# 59
07-22-2013, 03:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezking View Post
Grinding for Omega Marks is easy enough for me since the STF's are all that interests me now...but the damn Romulan Marks, that's a different story.

The Rep system, for whatever reason it was created, failed for me.
I don't like it and it took true determination on my part to get 1 toon to Tier 5 on 1 Rep (Rom strangely enough).
The thought of getting all my toons to T5 forced me to lower my expectations.
No, they all won't have Mk XII Omega/Maco/KHG/Borg/whatever else is in there.

The only good thing about the Rep is it makes you appreciate the Exchange...and that's about it.
No cookie for the Rep system or it's creator (which I assume is Satan).

EDIT: Not having the unlocks account-wide is just plain wrong. Change it, Cryptic.
Whereas it is the opposite way round for me. Rom marks are easy, I have tier 5 on one character and still have over 2.5k marks to convert to dilitihum, it was over 3k after completing the tier 5 rep and that was before getting the extra 750 for the tier 5 Rommy mission. This is also after store unlocks and item purchases, console and elite scorps.

Omega marks are a pain as the only way I have of getting them is the Defari invasion. STFs seem to be a tad too over dramatic for me from reading the threads here, so I am put off them.

They seem to have take the worst from WoWs rep system and ignored the good. In the rep systems there once one character has gotten to exaulted (tier 5) they can buy tokens from one of the NPCs that you can send to another character that makes getting the rep with that faction easier. Maybe they could look at putting this in the rep store it would certainly give me something else to spend the marks on instead of converting them to dil.

Given that the marks are a currency the character would still have to do the content to earn them to buy/unlock the items they want. This would mean no skipping the content but atleast it won't feel as much of a grind.
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