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# 31
07-19-2013, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pigeonofclay View Post
I suppose, as a member of the Saurian race, I should explain that the "breasts" on Saurian females serve a very useful function. Just remember this the next time you're drinking "Saurian Brandy".
"Brandy" being the Saurian's name, and not the type of drink.

-- Smoov
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# 32
07-20-2013, 12:22 AM
Bikinis for everyone, I say. Just make sure they take the place of armor so we don't have mostly-nekkid guys running around combat zones.
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# 33
07-21-2013, 12:13 PM
They'll have to stop the 'Burn victim' thing before anything else.
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# 34
07-25-2013, 02:56 PM
Erm, I'd like to throw in my vote against swimwear costumes as well, actually. I won't fault some of those designs for creativity, I guess, but I can't help but feel that it really isn't appropriate to have people wandering around military installations (un)dressed like that.
Okay, yes, there are already plenty of revealing outfits to throw onto Federation characters as it is, but a plunging neckline is something I can see someone getting away with (in fiction). Wearing a swimsuit to your meeting with Admiral Quinn? Not so much...

... then again, I'm one of those strange people who plays a fully-clothed Orion, so...
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I'm inclined to agree with miri2. (FYI: I also have a fully-clothed female Orion character.)

A culture/species should realize that what is okay to wear on their homeworld, on Risa, and in the privacy of their quarters quite likely isn't what they would wear at an official conference and in a warzone ... unless they plan to surf instead of fight, that is. I don't recall ever seeing in any of the ST series (TOS, TNG, DS9, ST:V, ST:E) off-duty uniforms worn while a character was on-duty ... except when an emergency happened while a character was off-duty. (For what seem to me to be obvious reasons, I'm excluding Spock on the Genesis planet in "STIII", Orion slave girls in TOS, and Deanna Troi's mother in TNG.) And even then, I think that they would've tried to change back into their on-duty uniform before reporting. Those that serve on starships in the ST universe, at Starfleet and Klingon (and no doubt also Romulan) Academies, and as ground personnel are all highly trained and thus wouldn't be frivolous when it comes to both their appearance while so employed.
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# 36
07-25-2013, 06:09 PM
Thing is, while the KDF has Orions (only) that do the bathing suit thing, the Feds can sure simulate a bikini top on all their ladies with the Fed Mirror Universe top... Heck, I think a couple of the Risans use that shirt...

Yeah, you can't get the bottom, but then again, with the plethora of mini-skirts...
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Still at it. CBS "restrictions" fell by wayside with freebie Breen. Time to re-examine ENT and ToS at tier 5, repurpose the Connie into Sci and rebuild an Akira escort into the "NX". 6 "eras", spread evenly over all the classes...
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# 37
07-26-2013, 03:19 PM
First off I would pay 1500 zen to have an orion in star fleet.

Any way, with them having such a lax uniform code that you can wear over a dozen variations of the regular uniform. Including whether it is open at the neck or not. Multiple old uniforms, Several informal uniforms. (Looking at you racing and section 31) As well as formal dresses/tuxedos, and 'mercenary' wear. How can Starfleet demand not wearing swimwear to see Admiral Quinn?
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# 38
07-27-2013, 04:08 AM
Ok, look... not all species are as prudish about covering up their bodies as everyone else.

The Orion females don't wear bikinis. They wear their uniform.

They think nothing more about their skin being visible as humans think about their face being visible.

Now, the UFP enforcing a dress code, fine. The UFP can have whatever regulations they want, for themselves, but other cultures are still going to stick to their own cultural norms.

Anyways... don't call the Orion uniform a bikini... it is insulting to Orions when you trash talk their uniform.

-- Smoov
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# 39
07-27-2013, 02:29 PM
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Any way, with them having such a lax uniform code that you can wear over a dozen variations of the regular uniform. Including whether it is open at the neck or not. Multiple old uniforms, Several informal uniforms. (Looking at you racing and section 31) As well as formal dresses/tuxedos, and 'mercenary' wear. How can Starfleet demand not wearing swimwear to see Admiral Quinn?
So, one thing those dozens of uniform options have in common is that they are variations on Starfleet uniforms. Yes, the game allows players a wide variety of uniforms to choose from so that players have an easier time making their character look like an individual. Yes, this is, in fact, the opposite intention of a uniform, but this is a concession to gameplay.
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.

* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
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# 40
07-29-2013, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by miri2 View Post
So, one thing those dozens of uniform options have in common is that they are variations on Starfleet uniforms. Yes, the game allows players a wide variety of uniforms to choose from so that players have an easier time making their character look like an individual. Yes, this is, in fact, the opposite intention of a uniform, but this is a concession to gameplay.
The "mercenary" and formal dress costumes, yes, are off-duty wear. But they're all a far cry from swimwear.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: If you're in a navy, and your superior officer sends you a message while you're off-duty on shore saying "get to my station now," you might be excused if you rushed to his station wearing your civies to save some time.
He'd probably throw a fit, though, if you rushed into his office wearing a speedo and swim goggles.*
I think the same principle can be seen to apply here.

* Assuming, as Star Trek seems to, a society operating more or less within the parameters of "Western" Earther values.
Miri2 makes a good point.

Yeah theres nothing wrong with having swimwear in game, but that's not the issue the problem comes in with thinking that they are suited for or appropriate for military applications, this is not: The Federations Next Top model, or: Dancing With The Starfleet Captains.


If you look at it from a military perspective, if you showed up to basic training in swimwear and refused to put on the uniform of whatever country you support you would be kicked out the same day. And if you went out into battle today in swimwear sure you might look cool, but you'd be coming back home in smaller pieces without a pulse.
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