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# 11
08-08-2013, 12:54 AM
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I like this idea. It might get me out PvPing more if enough people join up.

I'll /channel_join next time I log in.
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# 12
08-08-2013, 02:19 AM
Lots of people try to form a team in opvp. But then they still hit the queue as a team. Havent seen a private match organized for a long time... However opvp would be the best place as you have the largest pool. I think main problem is that there needs to be way more guys actually initiating a private match.
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# 13
08-08-2013, 02:23 AM
Most of it is the x up for pugmade to hit the queues in OPvP, as mentioned. However, certain folks will try to organize 10v10's if it appears there are enough folks there for it.
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# 14
08-08-2013, 02:47 AM
Indeed some of that happens in Opvp now... but not enough.

There is no reason for TD... other then that.

What we want to see happening is multiple people forming up groups.... Yes you can form a pugmade in Opvp now... and hit the ques and fight AFk kids and Mark hunters....

Or you can come to TD... and post.

LF5M 5v5 Cracked X

and get 5 people out of TD.... mix the teams up to balance the sides... and have a great match.

Leave Opvp for preamde game setups... and general build chat ect... use TD like you would use a STF channel...

Instead of asking for players for ISE or KASE or CSE... you ask for YxY in Cracked ect.
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# 15
08-08-2013, 02:48 AM
Have people even tried using OPVP for random 5v5s? Usually the only non-pugmade/premade action that I see in OPVP are attempts to get 10v10s going. And some people who enjoy 5v5s don't like 10v10s.
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# 16
08-08-2013, 02:51 AM
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Have people even tried using OPVP for random 5v5s? Usually the only non-pugmade/premade action that I see in OPVP are attempts to get 10v10s going. And some people who enjoy 5v5s don't like 10v10s.
Yes we did some tonight... and honestly its a pain in the backside... to much cross talk.

Frankly its not what Opvp is for....

Its time for us to do the same thing PvE kids do...

No serious pve kid would be caught dead in the public ques.

We will get much better matches if we stop using the ques completely.

This also is a way to solve the, "I only premade cause I want to play with my friends"

Nothing stopping you folks from coming to fight club... and fighting with and against each other.... you won't run into afkers or mark hunters... or pugs so easy to stomp YOU can go afk.

Matches will be as good as the guys and gals sorting the teams before hitting load map.
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# 17
08-08-2013, 03:05 AM
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We will get much better matches if we stop using the ques completely.
I don't quite share your confidence that you will get lots of random 5v5s when it currently isn't even possible to reliably create two pugmades to fight each other.

And using a new channel will further restrict the number of players that even hear about this. We've had numerous attempts at starting new PVP channels that are less about socialising and more about organising fights - did any of those prosper?

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This also is a way to solve the, "I only premade cause I want to play with my friends"
Have you considered that playing with friends for some people is about playing with friends and not against them? The advantage of playing with friends is that I know that I won't curse my own team at the end of the match; I think that often the more infuriating thing about one-sided PVP matches is the fact that the random guys on my own team are completely useless, not so much that the other side has superior coordination. (Though this has shifted a bit since S7, when the changing metagame widened the gap between full and partial premades considerably.)
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# 18
08-08-2013, 03:11 AM
fact: At almost any given time, 20 people are pvp'ing. PvP dead? PvP never lived.



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# 19
08-08-2013, 03:23 AM
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No serious pve kid would be caught dead in the public ques.

We will get much better matches if we stop using the ques completely.
A potential downside to this is that, by draining the queues of more people, those stop popping altogether (just now they seemed to be picking up), thereby pretty much preventing new players from getting into pvp.

Sure, it's no fun for new players to get steamrolled by (semi-)premades, but if the public queues stop popping altogether I don't see anyone but the most dedicated 10-20% already in a pvp-fleet starting in pvp. By getting your ship smashed a number of times, you at least get a chance to learn and get in touch with people.

Sure the pve queues keep running, but the pve community (for lack of a better word) is slightly larger. Or maybe more than slightly. I suspect that you could buy all of the regular (public queued) pvpers a beer and still not be afraid to go bankrupt in the process.

Considering attrition from pvpers quiting the game, I'd say there is a possibility that by abandoning the queues, at some point, you'll stop getting any matches...

I mean, I totally get what you're trying to do here, and I hope you'll get some good matches going, but I suggest not giving up on the public queues completely, if only to ensure some future pvp continuity.
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# 20
08-08-2013, 03:39 AM
Yes your point is valid...

Honestly I doubt we will be able to completely leave the public ques... but I do hope when we do public que... we are letting the new faces know about the channel.

If we catch them and funnel them in... get them on teams that don't get stomped multiple times by premades... or our pug mades... and or watch 2+ people on there team or the one there fighting go afk farming marks. They will learn much faster and stick around.

We need to get the boot camp kids in here to.... I hope this channel doesn't become the same 20 people annoyed with the state of the pug ques every night... it will have to be our mission to avangelize the channel and get anyone and everyone that wants to PvP in... not every game has to be 10 all star players... we need to make matches and mix it up a couple vets on each side a couple new kids on each side. Create matches fun for everyone... and we will all get better.

Its not that hard to throw PMs to the people in the ques that are obviously playing and want to PvP asking them to come and join in the fun... in both TD and Opvp.
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