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# 11
08-07-2013, 12:40 PM
Another possibility would be to release a T5 Venture Class Retrofit.

The T5 version could have a BOFF layout like this:
Tac: Lt. Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr. and Lt.
Science: Lt. and Ensign

Consoles: 3, 4, 3

Everything else: exactly like the Galaxy -R. (turn rate, Crew, etc.)


The advantage of this would be that Cryptic wouldn't have to make it a Mirror ship at all, they could release it just as T5 version of the Venture. Additonally, would L O V E <3 it if the availlable ship parts (Envoy, Celestial, Galaxy and Venture) would be availlabe for the T5 Venture Refit also.

Price: 2500 ZEN or 1000 ZEN if the player already owns the T4 Venture.



As a Bonus the T5 Venture comes with one [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]]
This weapon (only forward) fires once per cycle at a 300 degrees arc.


[Console - Universal - Antimatter spread], [Console - Universal - Saucer Seperation] and [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]] are the 3 part GCS set. This set is only equipable at the Exploration Cruiser retrofit or Mirror Exploration Cruiser.

2 part set Bonus
+1 turn
+5 power to all sub systems
+30 Starship Energy Weapon Damage
+30 Starship Projectile Weapon Damage

3 part Set Bonus
Clickable power, 3 min cooldown.
It fires a combined high yield Photon torpedo spread at 3 targets and fires a phaser lotus like attack with the large beam array. This 3 part set bonus is deactivated once the ship is in seperation mode.



As you can see the Special item and the Set bonuses are the same as the Multi Mission Galaxy Cruiser has, as posted above.

To get the whole Set, the player had to buy the Galaxy -R too. So Cryptic could make money with a ship they have released for a long time.

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# 12
08-11-2013, 11:42 AM
I just want to say...the Galaxy Retrofit used to be an excellent ship.

I equipped mine with (now) retro Borg gear and [Borg] proc polorons and tricobalt torpedos. This was on a TAC VA, not an eng, and it was great for STFs. Of course, I had my Red Matter Capacitor and Peregrines (before they required hangars).

Well, those days are over. Any ship without a hangar is basically useless. Yeah, my crafted Delta Flyer and Mirror ship collection are fun to show off -- complete with the now irrelevant Borg cosmetic set. BUT none of them are worth using anymore.

Hell, even my Chimera has limited utility compared to C-Store and fleet ships.

Bottom line: The Galaxy Retrofit is a VANITY SHIP. It's outdated and will NEVER be altered. If you want an awesome ship, you either have to buy it, or grind your life away building a max level fleet. PWE doesn't care what we want, thus the old endgame ships will never be updated.

Good luck, and GET OVER IT.
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# 13
08-11-2013, 12:10 PM
I was just thinking...

It's beyond RARE for PWE to give us what we want. There may be a few ultra rare examples, but I don't see the point in discussing how to create a ship (Mirror or Standard) knowing full well IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It's a waste of energy and a waste of typing. PWE WILL NEVER LISTEN to your suggestions. Also, since it's established that the old ships are a waste of money/DIL, it's pointless to think this will change.

Don't get me wrong--I agree with some of the ideas here. The problem I have is the assumption (or hope) that PWE is listening.

They aren't and never will. The energy spent creating this thread could be spent better.
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# 14
08-13-2013, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by daqhegh View Post
I was just thinking...

It's beyond RARE for PWE to give us what we want. There may be a few ultra rare examples, but I don't see the point in discussing how to create a ship (Mirror or Standard) knowing full well IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It's a waste of energy and a waste of typing. PWE WILL NEVER LISTEN to your suggestions. Also, since it's established that the old ships are a waste of money/DIL, it's pointless to think this will change.

Don't get me wrong--I agree with some of the ideas here. The problem I have is the assumption (or hope) that PWE is listening.

They aren't and never will. The energy spent creating this thread could be spent better.
So then let's just stop posting anything, because Cryptic won't change anything, even if the playerbase wants it?

I don't think so, ther have been several ocasions when cryptic was actually changing things because they didn't work.
The same thing with the GCS -R.


I'm NOT suggesting they should change the existing ship, but to introduce an ALTERNATIVE ship, similar to the several mirror ships we already have in the game. Sure, Cryptic does not listen to anything relating the Galaxy class, but this doesn't stop me from trying to reach them. They surely won't change anything if no one asks for it.

I mean a improved GCS is nothing Game breaking. No one wants to get a over powered ship. Just one that is useable, fun to fly and at least a bit like the original. Just look at the T5 Ambassador or Excelsior Class, Cryptic made them much more useable and versatile ships than the Galaxy -R.
But the thing cryptic has made has almost nothing to do with a GCS at all.

I can understand if some dev is a fan of the Excelsior so they made the ship so much better, but igonring a much more iconic and popular ship just doesn't make any sense.

The GCS is the ship most fans i know of have grown up with, for many it is the essence of Star Trek. Aside from a in-universe point of view, why shouldn't it's fans get at least a ship that isn't a pain to fly?

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# 15
08-13-2013, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
I'm NOT suggesting they should change the existing ship, but to introduce an ALTERNATIVE ship, similar to the several mirror ships we already have in the game.
All Mirror ships are simply costume changes of free ships with a exceptions on KDF side.

But thats not the problem, the problem is Federation shipyards are overburden with designs to the point all possible BO seating have been done, your proposal is duplicating the Soverign or the Excelsior layouts, it also steps on the Odyssey as your "2 set" is absurdly powerful, +20 power AND +30 to BOTH Energy and Projectile damage?

With the Odyssey the Cruiser 3 pack is done, we dont need another cruiser 3 pack ... one thing is refitting so having a Galaxy Set works when owing the 3 Galaxies but even that is tough because the Galaxy-X is a completely different beast that the Galaxy-R, what works in one does not necessary works on the other but this is caused by the ships not being made to work as a pack and after the fact its not going to work trying for then to work as a pack, adding a new cruiser 3 pack would be redundant and would punish other ship classes.
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# 16
08-13-2013, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
But thats not the problem, the problem is Federation shipyards are overburden with designs to the point all possible BO seating have been done, your proposal is duplicating the Soverign or the Excelsior layouts, it also steps on the Odyssey as your "2 set" is absurdly powerful, +20 power AND +30 to BOTH Energy and Projectile damage?
The same as the D'Koras Battle mode just a bit weaker.

Whats the problem with having similar BOFF layouts?
It just enhances the options of possible flyable ships, nothing else.


Quote:
Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
With the Odyssey the Cruiser 3 pack is done, we dont need another cruiser 3 pack ... one thing is refitting so having a Galaxy Set works when owing the 3 Galaxies but even that is tough because the Galaxy-X is a completely different beast that the Galaxy-R, what works in one does not necessary works on the other but this is caused by the ships not being made to work as a pack and after the fact its not going to work trying for then to work as a pack, adding a new cruiser 3 pack would be redundant and would punish other ship classes.
No one's talking about the -X, this is about the GCS.

Releasing dontdrunkimshoots enhanced exploration cruiser retrofit 3 pack would "punish" other ship classes?
How do you come to that conclusion?

So Cryptic will never, ever release a 3 Pack of either Science, Cruiser or Escort ships according to your logic, because we already have the vesta, Odyssey or Andorian Escort.
Cryptic will continue to sell whatever fits to Star Trek in their eyes. The Galaxy Class is the most significant ship in Star Trek for some people, much more than the Vesta ever was. And still we have got this (very good made) 3 pack vesta.
Don't get me wrong i have nothing against the Vesta, i own it myself, but the Galaxy Class deserves much more such love by the devs.

Relasing dontdrunkimshoots enhanced exploration cruiser retrofit 3 pack would only be a alternative to other Crusiers and a fan service. It would in no way make any other ship useless, it would just add the GCS as it should have been.



Btw, the Gal-X compared to other Dreadnoughts in STO is very underpowered IMO. A hit and run ship is NOT what a Dreadnought is supposed to be. A dreadnoughts purpose is to enter a Battle, stay and fight anything down.

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# 17
08-17-2013, 08:19 AM
sorry im a bit late. i didn't have access to a computer the last week.

anyways, i just got that nebula class ship for free.. and i just love it to death.
and i am kinda sad that its boff layout is just so much more correct for what it is, then what the galaxy has.

as we all know, the galaxy is a versitile ship. so we want a versitile boff layout.

so here is what i would like to see the galaxy have for its boff layout. and correct me if i am wrong, but i beleive no other ship has this layout yet.


Tactical: Lt.Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.
Universal: Ensign and Lt.

alternatively i could see this

Tactical: Lt.
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.Cmdr
Universal: Ensign and Lt.

and of course this
Tactical: 3
Engineering: 3
Science: 3
console layout


personally i would like to see a "weapon, weapon, console" set for it
the console being the saucer sep, that large beam array idea already said in this thread, and a photon torpedo version of that omega torpedo launcher would be interesting imo

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# 18
08-17-2013, 08:41 AM
Why not just adjust the Fleet Version, maybe even the T5 CStore version.


Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Ensign


As long as we are looking at the Galaxy line

Galaxy X should be....

Commander
Lt. Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Ensign
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# 19
08-17-2013, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by otakuboyt View Post
Why not just adjust the Fleet Version, maybe even the T5 CStore version.


Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Ensign
the only problem with that, it is is the exact same Boff layout as the Odyssey.
it is perfect for the galaxy.. but if you could choose the look of the galaxy over the odyssey for that boff layout...
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# 20
08-22-2013, 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfbladexz View Post
sorry im a bit late. i didn't have access to a computer the last week.

anyways, i just got that nebula class ship for free.. and i just love it to death.
and i am kinda sad that its boff layout is just so much more correct for what it is, then what the galaxy has.

as we all know, the galaxy is a versitile ship. so we want a versitile boff layout.

so here is what i would like to see the galaxy have for its boff layout. and correct me if i am wrong, but i beleive no other ship has this layout yet.


Tactical: Lt.Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.
Universal: Ensign and Lt.

alternatively i could see this

Tactical: Lt.
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.Cmdr
Universal: Ensign and Lt.

and of course this
Tactical: 3
Engineering: 3
Science: 3
console layout


personally i would like to see a "weapon, weapon, console" set for it
the console being the saucer sep, that large beam array idea already said in this thread, and a photon torpedo version of that omega torpedo launcher would be interesting imo
Sorry, i'm late too.

I like your proposed BOFF layouts, both the tactical or the science version would be nice to have.
Personally i wouldn't mind if it would get the BOFF layout of a already existing ship, as long as it makes sense for the GCS.
Heck i would be already happy if it would just get the BOFF/console Layout of the Ambassador, as long as she finally gets something useful.

And yeah, a special console set would be very cool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by otakuboyt View Post
Why not just adjust the Fleet Version, maybe even the T5 CStore version.


Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Ensign


As long as we are looking at the Galaxy line

Galaxy X should be....

Commander
Lt. Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Changing already released ships isn't a very good idea IMHO.
Some people will rage, that's for sure. Even if they don't use the GCS at all.
Just look at the Moonbosh ship and how some ppl rage about the "removed" cloak, that shouldn't be part of that ship in the first place. Now imagine a ship being in the Game for almost 3 years now being changed...

But i could imagine a GCS with your suggested BOFF layout being released as part of a special Hero ship Lockbox among a reworked Intrepid and Defiant. (Althrough the Defiant doesn't really needs a rework like the GCS does IMO)

I like your idea about the uni Lt.Cmdr. and Ensign, it's unique and i think it would fit well to a GCS.

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