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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Seriously a whole season should be dedicated to PvP at this point and those pesky three little letters were again missing from the dev panel the other day, how long and how many of us have been asking for anything pvp wise? but we get the voth? who asked for that? no really which guy asked for the voth to come before a pvp overhaul? Oh well maybe in 2015
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# 2
08-14-2013, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dylantrinidy View Post
but we get the voth? who asked for that? no really which guy asked for the voth to come before a pvp overhaul?
The mass of PvE people who voted "Voyager" as the content they would like to see more of.

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# 3
08-14-2013, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
The mass of PvE people who voted "Voyager" as the content they would like to see more of.
Even Stahl voted Voyager, no?

But even so...voting Voyager...where did the Voth come from in that? There were a bazillion (fake number) of unique aliens that appeared in Voyager - yet the Voth?
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 4
08-14-2013, 08:59 PM
the vahdwar only made 1000% more sense then the voth did. going with them is stupid, already had the gorn just sitting there unused for the token lizards. vahdwar were pissed at voyager, and had the subspace corridors. a much more interesting store could have been done with them imo. the voth are supposed to be to advanced to even dare piss off. im sure i'll have destroyed hundreds by season 9 though

oh ya, for christ sakes do something to expand pvp! instead of introducing op i win crap in lockboxes that has no practical use outside of pvp.
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# 5
08-14-2013, 11:16 PM
Come along now. I used to frown at the cynics that would postulate that Cryptic were deliberately throwing OP crap at the game in order to drown PVP, push away PVPers and thus have a reason to remove the servers.

Now i'm at the front.
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# 6
08-15-2013, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dylantrinidy View Post
Oh well maybe in 2015
I don't see the game making it to 2015. If it does it won't have PVP. I can't see how this game is fun beyond PVP myself.

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Come along now. I used to frown at the cynics that would postulate that Cryptic were deliberately throwing OP crap at the game in order to drown PVP, push away PVPers and thus have a reason to remove the servers.

Now i'm at the front.
I spent a good many hours going over my pew pew match caps. PVP progressively decreased in fun in each passing year. This year being the most pathetic. I don't overly blame the game though. The recent drama isn't their fault. However this lockbox scam is so whatdo?

Start of f2p was the worst (but one can forgive that to a degree.) ^see above.

I'm not saying the gaps were filled better in previous years however the frequency of good matches were higher.

I leave this link as a reminder that PVP can be fun.

Some 500 good matches since Jan 1 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfv5Rc_Itjk

NOTE: there are more good matches but it's boring scanning 5000 screens from matches.
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 7
08-15-2013, 07:52 AM
Face it guys, public queues were already getting ridiculous with stupid spammage the past couple of months. Also not many people PvP. STO PvP is dooomed.
Reality is WAR

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# 8
08-15-2013, 10:39 AM
Hmmm update for PvP:


Total Kdf population is supposedly 18% or less

Total players that regularly PvP is most likely less than 18% probably closer to 5-12% if you factor in players that just go to Kerrat.

Kdf hasn't even had a c-store uniform option other than the eva suit, klingon academy outfit added in it seems like forever due to low sales numbers due to low population.

Why would you expect PvP to get anything added to it when it appears to have a smaller active population than anything else in-game?

and for free they already make money from people [PvE/PvP] alike with the lockboxes

New maps would be nice but really favors ground PvP more since starships typically don't hide behind cover

[the open sector control talked about for s8 may help but only time will tell and it seems more PvE focused since thats where all the players are]

Just some rough numbers but say 10k players were online, 1800 would be kdf, 8200 would be federation, out of that 10k, 500-1200 would be PvPing which you would think would make the Ques pop nonstop so the total active PvPers may be even less than that.

1200 people paying $20 for something [$24k] vs 8800 people paying $20 [$176k] who would you honestly promote new items, equipment, shinies for ?


So..... any realistic ideas what the Devs could do with minimal investment time to spark an interest in PvP and what will bring more people to PvP for the least developer cost?

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# 9
08-15-2013, 12:18 PM
I believe any PvE content that would mean any positive change for PvP is immediately deleted and never spoke of again.

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# 10
08-16-2013, 02:45 AM
When it doesnt take someone 6+ months and a billion EC to gear up for PvP you will see more come.

I mean be honest here.. a mk 12 tactical purple console costs around 30 million EC... and all the hardcore pvpers are gonna have them on their ships. You need 5 for an escort.

150mil ec.

And if you dont invest that, youre doing 10-20 (26.2 or 28.1 times 5) percent less damage than someone that does have it.

Freebs are limited to 10mil EC until they unlock it.

Its really not that hard. The haves vs have nots and the PVE economy being tied into PvP is what really drives competitives away. Id pvp more, hell I love pvp.. but i cant hold my own til i finish my build. Piloting only takes you so far, the overemphasis on gear has really turned me off, but ill be in there again once ive finished getting the crap i need to hold my own vs a maxed out ship.

Quite frankly the fact that any ship can spike for more than 60k damage and thus one shot a player with full shields and hull is ridiculous anyway. Wayyyy too much damage in this game.

You should only be able to use level 40 ships and white gear in PvP. That is what you would expect a new level 50 to have, the rest needs to stay OUT. Or you will continue to see the same problem.
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