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# 11
08-08-2013, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thissler View Post
Generally speaking. Generally. When your client is loading up a new zone from the server it is...loading up an entire new zone from the server.

Depending on the zone that can be a large amount of information. For PVP zones you can be SURE that that is a large amount of information. Did you know that if you are in a zone when someone zones in, you will 'see' them before they actually drop the loading screen? Just saying that THAT loading screen is your client not being ready to paint the zone info on your monitor. But you're IN the zone. Anyway keep that in mind.

Okay. In sector space you zone, maybe it takes a few seconds, no biggie. You get in, and you're IN. You likely do not lag. Why? because there's like ZERO extra objects. So there's a few other players and encounters. NOT processor intensive.

PVP not so much. Your client gets that there's a station, some sensors, some asteroids, blah blah blah and it DROPS you into the zone. NICE! HAI GUYZS I ISZ HERE! Well ok. Your "ship" starts to function in the zone. Part of that functionality is 'scanning' for objects. You know these objects as 'SPAM'. Don't think "oh I can't see it so it isn't 'there' yet. It is. The ENTIRE zone is in your client. So you see what happened? You come into a match in progress you are trying to process a LARGE amount of queries. Good luck!

So your bandwith and your processor/gpu are handling a certain level of information fine. You burst over that and there's a jam.

And. Also. This is a bit different than if you said "I was in the middle of a fight, everything was fine, nothing changed, just suddenly I was rubberbanding". That could POSSIBLY be an external issue.

If you were in the middle of a fight and SUDDENLY 3 carriers launched wings, everyone triggered photonic fleet and nimbus distress and TS3 and THEN you rubberbanded, we're back to the original diagnosis.

Cheers!
That original diagnosis is usually what happens with me whenever I lag/rubberband. If I'm moving around a 'cluttered' zone (like Ker'rat or ISE-with-the-damned-gate-graphics), I'll sometimes experience rubberbanding just from the computer rendering the Borg ships, because there's a lot of stuff to render. If I get into a spam-filled skirmish with other players (people photonic-fleeting away, calling in reinforcements, launching fighters, using theta radiation/warp plasma/ gravity well, etc) I'll start lagging and rubberbanding (something I really can't afford to have happening on a de-cloak alpha run that requires precise piloting and timing).
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# 12
08-08-2013, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by stevehale View Post
I have Century Link extended reach DSL. Hrmn... I do have a wireless router but my computer is connected to it (the router sits right beside the tower too).
Not joking, because I live in Tennessee and we invented the boonies, but I seriously did not know anyone still used DSL...
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# 13
08-09-2013, 12:51 AM
This is what usually happens to me somewhere between 1AM-4AM Eastern...

Tracing route to patchserver.crypticstudios.com [x.x.x.x]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 550 ms 693 ms 35 ms x.x.x.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 14 ms 143 ms 380 ms something [x.x.x.x]
4 499 ms 141 ms 109 ms something [x.x.x.x]
5 118 ms 15 ms 17 ms something [x.x.x.x]
6 21 ms 29 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
7 21 ms 20 ms 34 ms something [x.x.x.x]
8 301 ms 350 ms 392 ms something [x.x.x.x]
9 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
10 303 ms 45 ms 30 ms something [x.x.x.x]
11 133 ms 34 ms 33 ms something [x.x.x.x]
12 53 ms 35 ms 63 ms something [x.x.x.x]
13 36 ms 35 ms 36 ms x.x.x.x
14 59 ms 33 ms 33 ms x.x.x.x

Trace complete.


Usually everything's under 20-40, but somewhere between 1-4AM...I'll usually do the Die25 on my KDF because there's not much else I'm going to be doing until it straightens itself out somewhere between 6-8AM...
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# 14
08-09-2013, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by howiedizzle View Post
Not joking, because I live in Tennessee and we invented the boonies, but I seriously did not know anyone still used DSL...
To be honest, over here in the Netherlands there's loads of people using ADSL connections. The high-grade ADSL subscriptions offer the same speed (around 50Mbit/s advertised) as a medium cable connection, though the top speeds on cable are higher (up to 150 mbit/s).

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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
This is what usually happens to me somewhere between 1AM-4AM Eastern...

Tracing route to patchserver.crypticstudios.com [x.x.x.x]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 550 ms 693 ms 35 ms x.x.x.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 14 ms 143 ms 380 ms something [x.x.x.x]
4 499 ms 141 ms 109 ms something [x.x.x.x]
5 118 ms 15 ms 17 ms something [x.x.x.x]
6 21 ms 29 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
7 21 ms 20 ms 34 ms something [x.x.x.x]
8 301 ms 350 ms 392 ms something [x.x.x.x]
9 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
10 303 ms 45 ms 30 ms something [x.x.x.x]
11 133 ms 34 ms 33 ms something [x.x.x.x]
12 53 ms 35 ms 63 ms something [x.x.x.x]
13 36 ms 35 ms 36 ms x.x.x.x
14 59 ms 33 ms 33 ms x.x.x.x

Trace complete.


Usually everything's under 20-40, but somewhere between 1-4AM...I'll usually do the Die25 on my KDF because there's not much else I'm going to be doing until it straightens itself out somewhere between 6-8AM...
That's harsh. Really. I feel for you... I think I would complain at my ISP at regular intervals if they slammed me with those numbers. No matter what you're paying, that kind of service is just silly.
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# 15
08-09-2013, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by twam View Post
That's harsh. Really. I feel for you... I think I would complain at my ISP at regular intervals if they slammed me with those numbers. No matter what you're paying, that kind of service is just silly.
It's their maintenance window...meh. The time where anything they do would have the least effect on folks - cause most folks are asleep at the time. At 2:30 AM, nothing was over 30 and it was sweet. An hour later - I was getting motion sickness from the rubberbanding, meh.

Noticed as I was finishing up Die25 in a shuttle, that the rubberbanding had stopped - so I checked again...

Tracing route to patchserver.crypticstudios.com [x.x.x.x]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms x.x.x.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 12 ms 15 ms something [x.x.x.x]
4 16 ms 14 ms 17 ms something [x.x.x.x]
5 23 ms 22 ms 18 ms something [x.x.x.x]
6 26 ms 23 ms 28 ms something [x.x.x.x]
7 20 ms 26 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
8 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
9 22 ms 24 ms 23 ms something [x.x.x.x]
10 27 ms 29 ms 26 ms something [x.x.x.x]
11 32 ms 37 ms 35 ms something [x.x.x.x]
12 32 ms 34 ms 34 ms something [x.x.x.x]
13 45 ms 35 ms 34 ms x.x.x.x
14 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms x.x.x.x

Trace complete.


Which is pretty close to what it normally is...
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# 16
08-09-2013, 05:13 AM
Rubber banding is usually a latency issue, but your ping time doesn't look terrible.

However, it might be misleading if you are getting a lot of packet errors - single pings get through, but actual info needs to get re-sent a lot.

The only hope you have of fixing it on your end is that it might be caused by a faulty router. (Bad router -> packet errors -> packet re-tries.)

Routers do go bad...I've replace several after electrical storms.


If your ISP is somebody like Comcast, you have another issue: they do 'shaping' which can lead to random delays of up to 100 ms.
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# 17
08-14-2013, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by naevius View Post
If your ISP is somebody like Comcast, you have another issue: they do 'shaping' which can lead to random delays of up to 100 ms.
Shaping? Would that explain something like this?

Tracing route to patchserver.crypticstudios.com [x.x.x.x]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms x.x.x.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 13 ms 14 ms [x.x.x.x]
4 12 ms 16 ms 17 ms [x.x.x.x]
5 22 ms 19 ms 15 ms [x.x.x.x]
6 76 ms 40 ms 27 ms [x.x.x.x]
7 22 ms 28 ms 25 ms [x.x.x.x]
8 50 ms 39 ms 78 ms [x.x.x.x]
9 75 ms 76 ms 68 ms [x.x.x.x]
10 107 ms 86 ms 78 ms [x.x.x.x]
11 101 ms 88 ms 121 ms [x.x.x.x]
12 86 ms 89 ms 85 ms [x.x.x.x]
13 41 ms 52 ms 35 ms x.x.x.x
14 32 ms 33 ms 33 ms x.x.x.x

Trace complete.


Just that jumping around certain of thing going on?

Cause in the past 10 minutes...

Rubberbanding in Ker'rat, normalized, queue popped, about two minutes in D/C'd, reconnect, Ker'rat fine, queue pops, freeze frames, rubberbanding, and...yeah, I'm going to smoke.

And yeah, I just noticed what time it was based on the history with my ISP - my own fault for trying to queue.

edit: Lol, it was funny later though - working on Die25 on Geist, I went to decloak on somebody I knew could obliterate him in seconds....and I'm sitting there wondering why nothing is firing - then I notice I'm still a Full Impulse...the next second, the guy's already 26km away. I frickin' hate my ISP in the middle of the night, but sometimes it is funny.
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Last edited by virusdancer; 08-15-2013 at 01:55 AM.
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# 18
08-16-2013, 10:19 PM
This is the last one I'm going to post...

Tracing route to patchserver.crypticstudios.com [x.x.x.x]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms x.x.x.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 17 ms 14 ms 20 ms [x.x.x.x]
4 99 ms 12 ms 941 ms [x.x.x.x]
5 1864 ms 649 ms 471 ms [x.x.x.x]
6 52 ms 22 ms 23 ms [x.x.x.x]
7 865 ms 755 ms 665 ms [x.x.x.x]
8 1191 ms 63 ms 34 ms [x.x.x.x]
9 490 ms 353 ms 71 ms [x.x.x.x]
10 1058 ms 1603 ms 902 ms [x.x.x.x]
11 88 ms 83 ms 87 ms [x.x.x.x]
12 719 ms 1117 ms 88 ms [x.x.x.x]
13 90 ms 86 ms 85 ms x.x.x.x
14 1067 ms 657 ms 165 ms x.x.x.x

Trace complete.


...this is the one where the girlfriend woke up and asked me what I was cursing about (was in Ker'rat as everything turned into a mix of rubberbanding and a slideshow). She wasn't happy - and - I just looked stupid for getting so upset over a game.

...this is one of the major reasons that I don't x up for anything. It's one of the major reasons why it takes me so long to get most things done - I'm not going to queue even for team PvE when crap like that happens with my connection.

...this is one of the reasons that folks are more likely to see me typing in OPvP or posting on the forums than actually playing in the game.

And yeah, it's the typical 1 AM on a Friday garbage...I effin' hate this effin' ISP. It's the worst internet connection I've had since going "online" with a Vic20 and a 300 baud modem. Over 10 years ago, I worked for another company doing broadband tech support - every single customer we had that had to deal with this ISP complained. Lucky me...lucky me.

/end_rant
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Last edited by virusdancer; 08-17-2013 at 03:36 AM. Reason: clarified I didn't work for this ISP, but another company that had to deal with multiple ISPs
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