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# 11
08-18-2013, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
I have to strongly disagree with you on the cloaking damage boost part

The 25% boost is to all damage not base ALL damage so I cloak wait 5 seconds then when I de cloak I get 15 seconds of 25% boost I can't see you doing that sort of damage in 5 seconds
If you do the math, 15s of a 25% boost is less than 4s of 100%, so mathematically it's impossible for you to do more damage by cloaking instead of just firing.

Scimitars don't need to run any of the consoles really. They are fun toys, but basically junk. It's definitely enjoyable to fire from cloak, use the Thalaron Pulse, etc., but don't delude yourself into thinking you're doing anything other than gimping yourself by using them. Built properly, they are incredibly tough, with massive dps. If you're blowing up a lot, you're doing something wrong. The only thing that makes them take more damage is that their large hull puts you in range of core breaches more often. Watch for that.

Last edited by eldritchx; 08-18-2013 at 07:40 AM.
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# 12
08-18-2013, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by eldritchx View Post
If you do the math, 15s of a 25% boost is less than 4s of 100%, so mathematically it's impossible for you to do more damage by cloaking instead of just firing.

Scimitars don't need to run any of the consoles really. They are fun toys, but basically junk. It's definitely enjoyable to fire from cloak, use the Thalaron Pulse, etc., but don't delude yourself into thinking you're doing anything other than gimping yourself by using them. Built properly, they are incredibly tough, with massive dps. If you're blowing up a lot, you're doing something wrong. The only thing that makes them take more damage is that their large hull puts you in range of core breaches more often. Watch for that.
That's why it's the most deadly maneuvre in the whole of sto and why everyone and their granny uses a battle cloak

Using the boost with apa and fomm my dhcs crit for 20k so it pays to tcloak every now an again especially when apa is up off cool down
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# 13
08-18-2013, 10:07 AM
Zero complaints about the Scimitar as is now and I take first on CEE on it regularly while tanking and DPSing the Entity at the same time. Actually switched away from DEM on my Scim and replaced it with RSP, also only using 4 instead of 5 tac consoles (with 4 front facing DHC, and Fleet Advanced Quantum) a relying on dmg from my drone ships.
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# 14
08-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
That's why it's the most deadly maneuvre in the whole of sto and why everyone and their granny uses a battle cloak

Using the boost with apa and fomm my dhcs crit for 20k so it pays to tcloak every now an again especially when apa is up off cool down
It's dangerous in PvP, because players depend so much on damage resistances and heals to tank - basically, in PvP, if you don't have your DPS above a certain threshold, it's functionally zero. Cloaking and decloaking, then, can provide the necessary "spike" to overcome someone's tank.

In PVE, though, NPCs don't really "tank", per se, they just rely on relatively large HP pools to live long enough to be a challenge. Thus, in PvE, it's more important to do a constant stream of damage than it is to have damage spikes to overcome resistances.

This is also why Beam Overload is good in PvP, but not as useful in PvE unless you take care to mitigate the power drain downside.
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# 15
08-18-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shinzonisback View Post
Why everyone who bought the scimitar feels discriminated ?
I saw everywhere threads of protest against this ship.

Someone complains about the Thalaron Pulse, someone else complains about it being so squishy.

why you bought it ?
I love the Scimitar, I started as a romulan only to get a Scimitar, but when they released it, i didn't bought it.

I knew it wasn't a good ship.
Too squishy, too big and with low turn rate.

it is probably one of the worst ship in the game, and I knew it.
I said it about 20 times in various threads, but no one believed me.
Funny, bought the Scimitar pack and:

1) Don't find it useless (my Romulan character still uses it.)

2) It's FAR from being one of the worst/squishiest ships in game (with a good build.)

Honestly, sounds more like a case of some players expecting/wondering: "Hey! Where's my 'I win' button?"

[Oh, and if you didn't buy it, haven't tried it yourself - it kind of makes me wonder where your basis for complaining about it is. There's so much BAD ship info and bad assumptions on the official forums, it's often hilarious to read at times.]
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# 16
08-18-2013, 11:00 AM
Anybody whining about cloaking doesn't understand the nature of stacking damage boosts... PvE it becomes less then stellar as the goal is maximum uptime instead of high burst windows... But in PvP where squeezing out as much damage in a tiny window as possible is the name of the game cloaking has quite an impact.

Anybody whining about the Scimitar hasn't seen one operated in the hands of a skilled Tac. There is nothing easy mode about the ship, but the ones out there that actually know how to play can make that bird sing...
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# 17
08-18-2013, 01:16 PM
Only thing I don't like about the Scimitar is that if you're flying alongside it and you're not running your own DPS ship there isn't anything for you to do. Its boring and un-fun how good that thing is.
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# 18
08-18-2013, 01:23 PM
Thanks for telling me how i feel o_O

but jokes aside, i am happy with mine, its a cool ship, nice look, i love it.
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# 19
08-18-2013, 02:39 PM
I'm considering buying the pack and loading the Fore Weapons with either Plasma or Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons XII (Rare). I'm an Engineering Officer but still learning as well so i'd have to find some good consoles and other attachments. What would be a good Engineering Build for it.
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# 20
08-18-2013, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shinzonisback View Post
Why everyone who bought the scimitar feels discriminated ?
I saw everywhere threads of protest against this ship.

Someone complains about the Thalaron Pulse, someone else complains about it being so squishy.

why you bought it ?
I love the Scimitar, I started as a romulan only to get a Scimitar, but when they released it, i didn't bought it.

I knew it wasn't a good ship.
Too squishy, too big and with low turn rate.

it is probably one of the worst ship in the game, and I knew it.
I said it about 20 times in various threads, but no one believed me.
this thing is a 2km across escort that out turns every cruiser in the game.
and if you want squishy, try keeping a vo'quv alive, vo'quv is both squishy and turns like a planet, on top of which, cant do half the damage.
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Considering Ryan broke 25k in a NX, I expect he could easily pull 10k in an Escape Pod with a Hand Phaser.

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