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# 21
09-13-2013, 05:22 AM
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I find it very hard to believe that the TNG era Star Fleet/Federation, didn't have any idea that the Ferengi were out there...
It's far more likely that there had just not been any direct Official contact with them up till Picard's moment.

Seeing how the race was very RETCONNED after "The Last Outpost" episode (mostly by the DS-9 writers), puts TLO into that category of an amusing tale which needs to be taken with a very large grain of salt.
Obviously, there are a few Ferengi out there that don't live by the Rules of Acquisition..

Just like not ALL Klingons, are Warriors.

Well, obviously. Just like the Federation is neighbored by far more warlike polities, so is the Ferengi Alliance (the Cardies and the Breen, for starters). Unless a large percentage of their GDP goes to foreign bribes, the Ferengi have to have a well-equipped navy to keep somebody from deciding to conquer them for their money. Also unless they make a point of arming all their merchantmen, they'd need warships for commerce protection as well.

And similar to the Federation, they prefer to be thought of as a peace-loving people just out to make a few EC rather than as a military power.
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# 22
09-13-2013, 06:02 AM
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How about not? This is 2409, not 22xx.

When I read responses like this, It makes me wish that PWE would release a single player version of the game!! I have characters from various eras including TOS, TNG and 2409, PWE obviously aren't too bothered about what year the game is set in judging by the TOS bundle and numerous old uniforms. All those nice new 25th century ships must work great with their Duotronic operated bridges
Shame my TOS phaser owns nearly every other weapon I've come across so far.
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# 23 Excelsior
09-15-2013, 05:36 PM
Hi All,

Just pointing out the obvious that there is a tier 5 23rd century ship: the excelsior refit. I am currently levelling a toon with this ship and theme in mind (Wrath of Khan uniforms etc), I would love to see more content for this era, but think we would have to do it via the foundry for the moment. Perhaps even founding a fleet dedicated to this style of play.
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# 24
09-16-2013, 12:34 PM
No offense to TOS fans, or fans of the 23rd Century era of Star Trek, but why would you want a game made out of that?

It seems to me that all that it has to offer is a lot of random encounters with strange people, aliens, or powerful entities who want to kill you, imprison you, use you as toys, or otherwise ruin your whole day. Also, lots of standing around the ship while engineers attempt to fix the warp core again, your medical officer tells everyone about how they're a doctor and nothing else, someone hits on some woman, usually one of the strange beings trying to kill them, and your first officer is almost impossible to work with. Do you have something against the color red? Because nearly everyone who wears it is going to end up dead or worse. But don't worry, by the end of the day, you'll be laughing at something amusing, despite your losses.

I'm just fine sticking to the era of warfare with the Klingons, a rebuilding Romulan Republic, Borg invasion, and the looming threat of the Iconians, all while commanding ships that look and perform so much better than that little Connie and its counterparts from the era. Don't get me wrong, I like the 23rd Century Star Trek, but I like the current one much more.
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# 25 23rd
09-18-2013, 03:13 AM
I don't think 23rd century would really make a good addition. There are some bits and pieces from the era that are good, and we have even now and I think that's enough, Nimbus III content is already great for that! To add to all this - not too long ago there was a vote of which series we would want in the game more, and despite anything people (including me) voted for more Voyager. Now, that is going to be nice to see! Voyager were a great series, I believe TOS was an option, and people didn't pick it, and that's understandable I think, since we are in a completely new era. I don't mind time travel at all though!

Speaking of Ferengi - I think in TNG Picard mentioned that there were rumors about the Ferengi, so the Federation did have some clues I guess. They probably just didn't make an official contact.
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# 26
09-18-2013, 06:21 AM
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No offense to TOS fans, or fans of the 23rd Century era of Star Trek, but why would you want a game made out of that?

It seems to me that all that it has to offer is a lot of random encounters with strange people, aliens, or powerful entities who want to kill you, imprison you, use you as toys, or otherwise ruin your whole day.
Wierd people that imprison to kill Wesley for jumping over the wrong white fence. Kazon, Talaxians, Etc. are so different than the "alien of the week" with no makeup budget. Ferengi Marauders, Jem'Hadar weapons that pop cruisers faster than anything ever shot at Kirk (until they're techobabbled into mediocraty). Q seems to fill in for the Organians / Excalibans / Trelane, Etc...

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Also, lots of standing around the ship while engineers attempt to fix the warp core again, your medical officer tells everyone about how they're a doctor and nothing else, someone hits on some woman, usually one of the strange beings trying to kill them, and your first officer is almost impossible to work with.
Vs. the "mandatory" meeting in the conference room where everyone has to contribute their fail plan that gets modified into the successful plan of the week. At least these delays occur in multiple locations (sickbay, engine room, occasionally the briefing room). The weekly "hit on lady" was "pleasantly missed" in TNG, but got brought back full force with Worf - Jadzia and 7 of 9 - though it was the same woman every episode... And remember, Riker used to keep Picard banished to the bridge so he could get all the landing party glory and Chakotay was so full of "your starfleet ways don't work with my crew" for a season or two...

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Do you have something against the color red? Because nearly everyone who wears it is going to end up dead or worse.
Yet Scotty, the penultimate Redshirt, survived the whole series without a single bloody nose or black eye. Redshirts + low rank = victim. Seems TNG spent so much money on makeup they couldn't afford to hire the extra to bite it every other episode...

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But don't worry, by the end of the day, you'll be laughing at something amusing, despite your losses.
No comment...

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I'm just fine sticking to the era of warfare with the Klingons, a rebuilding Romulan Republic, Borg invasion, and the looming threat of the Iconians,
And Kirk fought "augment" Klingons that weren't spouting "for the honor and glory of my house" at every turn, the Romulans, well, the mystery behind them gave them lots of motives, and there were Tholians, Gorn, Orion Pirates, etc. and perhaps the Kelvans from Andromeda galaxy would have been the "big threat"...

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all while commanding ships that look and perform so much better than that little Connie and its counterparts from the era.
Personal matter of taste. Ever since they "squished" the saucers with the Excelsior, I've been gagging at almost every ship they've designed. There's something about the flat plane to "rising bubbles" on the Connie / Miranda has that gives them that "starship" feel, and don't get me started on the "streamline pointed arrows" of the Intrepid / Soverign / etc...

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Don't get me wrong, I like the 23rd Century Star Trek, but I like the current one much more.
I will not argue this point. I appreciate a good chunk of TNG-era Trek, but have a soft spot for what I grew up on. Many others in this thread are of the same viewpoint. Many of us ask for (at least a couple) opportunities to enjoy "our" favorite Trek in STO like all you TNG-era fans can enjoy "your" Trek...
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...
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# 27
09-18-2013, 02:35 PM
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Remember, Archer never asked the Ferengi in the episode what their species was called, so it's all this guy's fault
http://imageshack.us/a/img196/1576/3b8.png
that Picard in "The Last Outpost" didn't know what he was up against.
If I remember right, T'Pol spoke of them as if she was aware of the Ferengi.
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# 28
09-18-2013, 03:10 PM
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If I remember right, T'Pol spoke of them as if she was aware of the Ferengi.
And as previously mentioned even the production team admitted they ****ed up in making that episode, so ignore it. It never happened.
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# 29
09-18-2013, 07:27 PM
The most obvious reason that 23rd Century Starfleet knew that Ferengi exist is the Roswell episode. It is possible that not every Starfleet Captain in the 23rd Century knew about Ferengi, but the higher ups should know who their first unofficial first contacts were.
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# 30
09-19-2013, 04:00 AM
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If I remember right, T'Pol spoke of them as if she was aware of the Ferengi.
Okay, here's a transcript of the episode.
Try to find the word "Ferengi" only once.

http://www.chakoteya.net/enterprise/19.htm
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