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# 121
09-24-2013, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by shinzonisback View Post
Why everyone who bought the scimitar feels discriminated ?
I saw everywhere threads of protest against this ship.

Someone complains about the Thalaron Pulse, someone else complains about it being so squishy.

why you bought it ?
I love the Scimitar, I started as a romulan only to get a Scimitar, but when they released it, i didn't bought it.

I knew it wasn't a good ship.
Too squishy, too big and with low turn rate.

it is probably one of the worst ship in the game, and I knew it.
I said it about 20 times in various threads, but no one believed me.
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The Galaxy costs the same price i believe

compare those ships your Scimitar and the Galaxy

you got a Gold plated spoon and are crying you dont get a servent to feed you with it
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# 122
09-24-2013, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Except it then makes me wonder, with the offensive capability of the Scimitar, and the fact it's designed to hit and fade (NOT TANK), why would you run anything other than the extreme nukage builds that come from DHCs or DBBs in the front?

And Aux2Bat is primarily used on BFAW cruisers, since most other builds don't generate enough power drain to require Aux2Bat to even be thought about.
There is great truth here. This thing deals disturbing damage. It can Spike more fiercely than anything else out there. So why bother sitting around and tanking? You do not NEED to tank. Most things will NOT survive a proper Alpha from this beast and you can stay cloaked and still dish out damage for a fair while with the right combination of Cloak Barrage, Warp Shadows, and the Romulan Rep cloak.
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# 123
09-24-2013, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hasukurobi View Post
There is great truth here. This thing deals disturbing damage. It can Spike more fiercely than anything else out there. So why bother sitting around and tanking? You do not NEED to tank. Most things will NOT survive a proper Alpha from this beast and you can stay cloaked and still dish out damage for a fair while with the right combination of Cloak Barrage, Warp Shadows, and the Romulan Rep cloak.
If you throw two copies of RSP into that mix, then you've got enough 'tanking' abilities to survive things like gates while you kill them. Its how I do it. RSP/Warp shadows/cloaked barrage/RSP in that order, and its usually dead before the 2nd RSP runs out, soloing it that is. Dies sooner if i have a random teammate or two with me. Not many ships can pull that off at 2-3km away.

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# 124
09-24-2013, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Except it then makes me wonder, with the offensive capability of the Scimitar, and the fact it's designed to hit and fade (NOT TANK), why would you run anything other than the extreme nukage builds that come from DHCs or DBBs in the front?

And Aux2Bat is primarily used on BFAW cruisers, since most other builds don't generate enough power drain to require Aux2Bat to even be thought about.
Once again, joining two completely separate build strategies (A2B + FAW) and acting as though they're one and the same, while at the same time being so very close to the point you're trying to make without even realizing it.

The strength of an Aux2Bat build has nothing to do with mitigating or browbeating drain. It has everything to do with mitigating cooldowns. That's something that's entirely weapon agnostic. The power boost is simply icing on the cake.

Combine the Scimitar's boff seating, console selection and weapon slotting and you've got a ship that can combine massed DHC-level damage output, serious self (and if necessary group ) healing, Aux2Bat cooldown reductions, one of the best hangar pets currently available and hilariously boosted cloak mechanics (which when you combine Subterfuge and Infiltrator boffs with secondary shields means you can get a permanent Ambush bonus while only having to sacrifice 3-second damage increments at the hands of someone who knows how to handle the cloak).
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# 125
09-24-2013, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by eldritchx View Post
If your hyper plasma torpedoes actually have time to reach your targets, you're doing something wrong. If you're using DHCs for PvE, you're doing something wrong. If you aren't the top dps in PvE in a Scimitar bar none, you're doing something wrong. If you can't tank in a Scimitar, you're doing something wrong.

I doubt a DHC/hyper plasma torp Scimitar would do even half the dps of one just running full beams and none of the stupid consoles.
You must be one of those people who saw a beam scimitar do 25k dps I bet...except it isn't real since they're spamming it and hitting things that recover from damage so fast it's literally damage being thrown away to pump up ego.
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# 126
09-24-2013, 12:15 PM
I dont understand why people are droning on about aux2bat likes its some kind of bad thing. I use aux2bat on my scimitar simply to increase the amount i can use boff skills such as RSP and attack patterns.

At the same time aux 2 bat helps offset the disadvantage of romulan ships power levels being so low, and triggers my elite fleet core synergy amp damage bonus sometimes also depending what my power levels are set as.

Aux 2 bat is a win win. If you cant grasp how it works, or dont want to fork out the 20-30 mil on the technicians, your loss. Any ship that can run it on the romulan side benefits. When combined with leech, it really does come into its own.
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# 127
09-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
You must be one of those people who saw a beam scimitar do 25k dps I bet...except it isn't real since they're spamming it and hitting things that recover from damage so fast it's literally damage being thrown away to pump up ego.
Oh and i use DBB's on my scimitar for the bigger arc, and the fact is the damage is still good, the only way DHC's beat it is with an Alpha strike to trigger the bigger crits. DBB's also lose less damage over distance.

This is all without even throwing FAW's in there.
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# 128
09-24-2013, 12:35 PM
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If you're using DHCs for PvE, you're doing something wrong.
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# 129
09-24-2013, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
Once again, joining two completely separate build strategies (A2B + FAW) and acting as though they're one and the same, while at the same time being so very close to the point you're trying to make without even realizing it. In all honesty you hardly ever see Aux2bat being used for anything else.

The strength of an Aux2Bat build has nothing to do with mitigating or browbeating drain. It has everything to do with mitigating cooldowns. That's something that's entirely weapon agnostic. The power boost is simply icing on the cake. Mitigating cds is a nice addition, but tbh you can just run two of the ability.

Combine the Scimitar's boff seating, console selection and weapon slotting and you've got a ship that can combine massed DHC-level damage output, serious self (and if necessary group ) healing, Aux2Bat cooldown reductions, one of the best hangar pets currently available and hilariously boosted cloak mechanics (which when you combine Subterfuge and Infiltrator boffs with secondary shields means you can get a permanent Ambush bonus while only having to sacrifice 3-second damage increments at the hands of someone who knows how to handle the cloak).
And you are missing the point I am trying to make completely as well.

You're using Aux2bat to handle tactical cds... on a ship that can run a Cmdr tactical AND LtCmdr tactical... sorry, that still makes no sense whatsoever. If you're talking about CRF or CSV? You just alternate between the two, or run two copies of them. If you're talking about attack patterns? Same thing. If you're referring to APO which has a much longer CD? Here's what you do: APO3, APB3, APO1, APB2, APO3, APB2... and so on and so forth. You will just have the usual 5 second downtime that you ALWAYS have that not even vaunted Aux2bat can combat.

If you're using it for Engineering cds? Same thing. Just run 2 copies of that ability. For science cds? That's the only place I can see Aux2bat being useful. Sufficed to say, if you put the Ens to engi or have a DCE, you don't need Aux2bat. At all.

So that is merely build choice. But sufficed to say, a NON Aux2bat DHC scimi will be just as effective in combat as an Aux2bat DHC scimi (if not more so, since you aren't relying on cds being reduced by 30%, you're instead going for the 30% triggered shared cds, which gives you an additional 30% uptime in comparison)... and not nearly as squishy (cuz guess what... you got aux heals... O.O).

Which then makes me wonder, where are you heals coming from with no aux power? How can you heal yourself or your team if you have no aux? Just a thought.
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# 130
09-24-2013, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by caldannach View Post
I dont understand why people are droning on about aux2bat likes its some kind of bad thing.
Its not that A2B itself is bad; its a tool like any other, just one that happens to have higher highs and lower lows. The problem is when people turn it into a crutch instead of a tool, particularly when some of them get so 'assertive' about their perfect builds ("If you're not like me, you're doing it wrong") yet stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the tradeoffs of said setups.

Plus there's the simple fact that such ships are really really boring. If you're in one, you press the spacebar and everything disintegrates. If you're flying something else, for the most part you just end up watching someone else plow through everything. Either way the mission is over in 3 minutes and you never really got to do anything. Where's the fun in that?
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