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# 161
10-08-2013, 01:27 PM
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It's just that a lot of forum users tootle that it counters everything, in your own example of an alpha strike you can do the alpha strike before the next subnuc comes along. So while it ruins your day once, it doesn't again
MACO 2 Piece + Elite Deflector = SNB on 1min 44s Cycle
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Rotate which SCI will SNB any particular Escort (usually 3 Scis, but even just 2 Scis can do this)
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1 Escort fully neutralized

Also as I said earlier, you don't always need SNB either.

Hard Spec VM & Scrambles are both very effective means of controlling escorts.



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this is why it's a 3 min cooldown not a 2 min cooldown.
No, it is a 2 minute cooldown. I thought you read my guide, don't you play a Sci?

See what PvE does to a man!!!


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You can even use your Omega and CRF combo again 2-3 more times before the next subnuc comes up.
Means very little, the counters to this are simply TT, ES, TSS, ST, (you don't need all of them).


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There are many ways to stop someone using a subnuc on your alpha if only to use scramble sensors on those science, maybe even jam sensors as you won't be shooting at them.
The ones who carry SNB, are usually the ones who carry ST - which is the cleanse for SS - so they can instant cleanse themselves.

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# 162
10-08-2013, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
MACO 2 Piece + Elite Deflector = SNB on 1min 44s Cycle
+
Rotate which SCI will SNB any particular Escort (usually 3 Scis, but even just 2 Scis can do this)
=
1 Escort fully neutralized

Also as I said earlier, you don't always need SNB either.

Hard Spec VM & Scrambles are both very effective means of controlling escorts.
Only if you let the ones who carry it more or less alone, if you build presure on then they might be busy defending themselves.

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No, it is a 2 minute cooldown. I thought you read my guide, don't you play a Sci?

See what PvE does to a man!!!
yeah, you are right on that one. But to be fair, in pve you rarely need snb...

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Means very little, the counters to this are simply TT, ES, TSS, ST, (you don't need all of them).
Only if you haven?t used them.

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The ones who carry SNB, are usually the ones who carry ST - which is the cleanse for SS - so they can instant cleanse themselves.
So what? You can use a sci team to clear snb asap. So if you have add buffs left oyu can use them to buff up again or get some buffs from oyur teammates.

And i am pretty sure things like extend shields are not cleared by snb, since they come from another source...


And it is funny how such threads often become a snb discussion, as soon as ppl seems to running out of reasonable arguments for their positon on the original toppic.

Not to mention that you start mixing up boff abilities and captain abilities again. Which you have to view seperately, since every career can fly every ship class and has access to all boff skills.

But that just as a sidenote...
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# 163
10-08-2013, 06:02 PM
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Only if you let the ones who carry it more or less alone, if you build presure on then they might be busy defending themselves.
That's why we cross-heal.



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So what? You can use a sci team to clear snb asap. So if you have add buffs left oyu can use them to buff up again or get some buffs from oyur teammates.
The important part of SNB is the fact you just stripped your target bare of all their mitigation buffs, escapes and offensive boosts giving your team a window of opportunity to kill them.

The CD reduction is just a kick in the jewels after being knocked down.



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And i am pretty sure things like extend shields are not cleared by snb, since they come from another source...
Yes, that's why we PSW ES off first.


Let me know if there are any other basic premade tactics you'd like to learn about, I'm always happy to help others get into organized PvP.


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And it is funny how such threads often become a snb discussion, as soon as ppl seems to running out of reasonable arguments for their positon on the original toppic.
I was answering BP on this, feel free to complain to khayuung.


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# 164
10-09-2013, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
That's why we cross-heal.
Which means you are forcing to use ppl using ther heals up, which is quite a good thing also.

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The important part of SNB is the fact you just stripped your target bare of all their mitigation buffs, escapes and offensive boosts giving your team a window of opportunity to kill them.

The CD reduction is just a kick in the jewels after being knocked down.
You mean the cooldown increase on the target, or not? And yeah, it gives you the opportunity, to kill a ship, doesn?t mean it is a kill for sure.

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Yes, that's why we PSW ES off first.


Let me know if there are any other basic premade tactics you'd like to learn about, I'm always happy to help others get into organized PvP.
Nice of you, but i know those things already, including unsing psw on someone who provides extend shields. Which is then more or less a counter to it, like many other skills have counters.

So you need to time it right, like everything in pvp to get your opportunity to get a kill. And if you are able to do it and the other team fails to counter, you deserve to get the kill.

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I was answering BP on this, feel free to complain to khayuung.
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That was more or less a generall statement, that just fitted there, not that i ever expect a change. It is just one of those topics that pop up more or less once a month, as seperate ".... is op"(<- fill in your favourite topic here) or in a thread that went sideways on it.
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