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# 331
10-15-2013, 03:43 PM
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Is someone calling my name? To be honest, I've always wondered about the Star Trek idiocy when it comes to ground combat.
With all their advanced technology, the best way they can think of to fight ground wars is just to send a bunch of soldiers with hand rifles?
From a practical standpoint, I've always wondered why Star Trek ground combat didn't just consist of sitting in your captains chair and ordering your tactical officer to blast the surface till everything stopped moving. Save "Boots on the ground" for mop-up operations. The only reason I could think of in the end was "drama"
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# 332
10-15-2013, 03:51 PM
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Is someone calling my name?

Yes, I am the one running at the dinosaurs with the Tholian Sword.
Hey, I'm standing under them and aiming for the ankles, try getting at me there!


To be honest, I've always wondered about the Star Trek idiocy when it comes to ground combat.
With all their advanced technology, the best way they can think of to fight ground wars is just to send a bunch of soldiers with hand rifles?

And anyone remember the Argo?
It's a groundracer vehicle with an aft mounted cannon!
Why aren't we just running over the Borg and then hitting reverse to back over them if they're still alive?

I'd bet a ground mech with melee combat ability would curbstomp the Borg so hard they'd think twice before walking up to me with the intent to assimiliate!
So wanting my AFS mech now:
AFS Mech
And yes, we had a pilotable version that the player could control.
It had a melee punch, a ground slam attack, twin gattling guns and rocket salvos.
Borg, say hello to your worst nightmare!

.
Don't underestimate the Borg. They'll just adapt to whatever you throw at them.
Transformers, Buggys or Dinosaurs in space - it doesn't really make a difference in the long run.
Hitting a Borg with a sword deals only kinetic damage. Which can, against popular believe, be adapted to as easily if not even easier then to particle beams. (lore-wise, not ingame-wise)

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# 333
10-15-2013, 04:08 PM
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From a practical standpoint, I've always wondered why Star Trek ground combat didn't just consist of sitting in your captains chair and ordering your tactical officer to blast the surface till everything stopped moving. Save "Boots on the ground" for mop-up operations. The only reason I could think of in the end was "drama"
YES!

Of course... The enemy fortified himself inside a heavily populated City? No Problem just a quick Torpedo Spread!
You might need some Data that is inside an enemy base? Tough life... Fire All Phasers!

What are you? A Covenant Spy?
Glass the Planet! Leave no sign of the heretics!

Oh and btw. even if some would use these tactics... certainly not Starfleet...
Selor Andaram Ephelion Kiith
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# 334
10-15-2013, 04:09 PM
What if the borg assimilate one of those silly armored laser T-Rex ? Ohnoes.
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# 335
10-15-2013, 04:24 PM
The Borg's achilles heel has and will always be kinetic damage.
Their shield will adapt to any form of energy damage, but for whatever reason, they've never developed a kinetic barrier.
I'm assuming it's because they're so invested in defending themselves from advanced technology, they're not capable of fighting "primitive" technologies anymore.

And that is from the show/movies, not the game.
So that is the law of lore.


And while we're on that topic, Dinosaurs have a lot of ways to inflict kinetic damage.
Bite, scratch, kick, stomp, stampede.
And then we have the scale problem on top of that.
The hide of the larger dinosaurs was very thick, a T-Rex couldn't be assimiliated because the Borg wouldn't be able to penetrate the skin and inject the nanoprobes into the bloodstream.

This is what would actually happen if they tried:

Raptor: Bite or cut the assimilation hand off!
T-Rex: Bite the Borg in half!


And why carnivorous dinosaurs?
Contrary to popular belief, the herbivores were the most dangerous dinosaurs.
Stegosaurus, the largest sauroids and Ankylosaurs were unchallengeable due to their defenses, the predators just let them be, because it was too risky to fight them.

Ankylosaurus in particular was a walking tank with a club that could snap a bone like a twig, even T-Rexes left them alone.
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# 336
10-15-2013, 04:26 PM
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The Borg's achilles heel has and will always be kinetic damage.
That's a bit of a Star Trek legend.
We have seen far more Borg killed by particle beams then by kinetic damage.
There are just not enough scenes to state clearly that Borg are unable to adapt to kinetic damage. And quite frankly, that wouldn't make a great deal of sense.
Star Trek force fields and shielding technology is very well able to hold back matter and kinetic energy of all sorts.
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# 337
10-15-2013, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by saekiith View Post
YES!

Of course... The enemy fortified himself inside a heavily populated City? No Problem just a quick Torpedo Spread!
You might need some Data that is inside an enemy base? Tough life... Fire All Phasers!

What are you? A Covenant Spy?
Glass the Planet! Leave no sign of the heretics!

Oh and btw. even if some would use these tactics... certainly not Starfleet...
Fed ships seem to have sufficient sensors and targeting ability to pick off individuals with orbital strikes, so yes, I do see the feds using that strategy. They just might not be as "whole hog" about it as the Romulans or the Klingons, but they'd definitely use it.

And as for being a Covenant Spy... What gave it away? The split-chin or the "Wort wort wort!"?
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# 338
10-15-2013, 04:47 PM
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This is what would actually happen if they tried:

Raptor: Bite or cut the assimilation hand off!
T-Rex: Bite the Borg in half!
And now there's Borg Bio-matter, thus Borg Nanites in the Raptor/Rex's mouth, with immediate access to lots of soft tissue. At the cost of one drone, the Borg get an Assimilated battlesaur.
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# 339
10-15-2013, 04:58 PM
To tell the truth, the Voth are more advanced then the Borg, their technology is superior.
And given that fact, I highly doubt they would enter into battle with the Borg unless they had prepared an assimilation defense.

Also, it appears when a body part is severed from a Borg drone, it becomes inert, so as soon as the dinosaur removes it, it's incapable of assimilating them.


And particle weapons aren't purely kinetic in nature, they're using an contained energy field.
Which is most likely what the Borg are adapting to. No energy field, no particle stream.
I think there was an episode of Enterprise which shows the Borg adapting to a high yield particle beam after it was used on them 2 or 3 times.

There has only been one example of a Borg Drone using a kinetic barrier and he was using modified Starfleet technology (from the 29th century!) to generate the shield.
He did not share that secret with the Borg.

No other Borg has demonstrated this ability.
Captain
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# 340
10-15-2013, 05:16 PM
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And particle weapons aren't purely kinetic in nature
Never tried to imply they are.
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No other Borg has demonstrated this ability.
Every species the Borg seem to be interested in posseses shielding and force field technology, at least Federation level. They are able to stop matter and kinetic energy if they want.
If they encounter problems with Dinosaurs, they'll adapt. The needed information is part of the collective.

Not saying that the Voth are not able to give the Borg a beating. They probably are. But not with Dinosaurs.

Sorry, I just can't get over that ridiculous idea...

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