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# 31
10-15-2013, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by nicha0 View Post
Borg drains have always been extremely strong, if you aren't running power insulators you'll have no shields very often.
Even if you are, the shield neutralizer can demolish your shields quite fast.

http://youtu.be/vPzJSBHG4pI?t=2m12s

And just as a reminder of how powerful the Borg truly are. That was a single assimilation cube against most likely the entire 3rd fleet, as the 3rd fleet guards Utopia Planetia and Earth. The Borg in STO are grossly under powered when compared to their canon counter parts. 6 ships should have no hope what so ever of facing even a single cube. The stronger they make the Borg in all instances, the closer they come to their counter parts.

Also saying that it's 2409 and not 2373 means nothing because the Borg adapt to all situations, including the passage of time and the invention of new technology and weapons by their enemies. They should be as serious of a threat in 2409 as they were in 2373.

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# 32
10-15-2013, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by capnshadow27 View Post
Yes it will but that massive CD is a pretty big drawback....
RSP1 with DOFF lasts for 15 seconds, plenty of time to kill whatever is shooting at you, so no real drawback there.
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# 33
10-16-2013, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rodentmaster View Post
Seriously, cryptic, change it back. This is nonsense. It's not just happening to me, either. I was seeing people next to me go from full to no shields in 2-3 seconds from the neutralizer as well. About 75% of the time in the past couple days I've been fighting nearly shieldless.
But I like the new shield neutraliser, it actually does some damage to my shields... Seriously though I flew into some borg encounter a while back with my old MACO mk XII shields and was watching my shield HP going up despite having FOUR shield neutralisers on me at the same time. I was using a mix of emergency to shields 1 and Transfer shield strength 2 and my shields her healing faster than 4 neutralisers could take them off me so... no, it should not be nerfed, it should be left as is.
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# 34
10-16-2013, 06:19 AM
There are different strengths of shield neutralizer as well

The standard red alerts/Kerrat stuff is moderate, you can hold out with heals for some time.
The Zeta and Orilleus sector red alerts are elite level, and they'll drain your shields very fast.
The queen uses it in the weakest state in the game, passive regen is enough to ignore it.
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# 35
10-17-2013, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
Even if you are, the shield neutralizer can demolish your shields quite fast.

http://youtu.be/vPzJSBHG4pI?t=2m12s

And just as a reminder of how powerful the Borg truly are. That was a single assimilation cube against most likely the entire 3rd fleet, as the 3rd fleet guards Utopia Planetia and Earth. The Borg in STO are grossly under powered when compared to their canon counter parts. 6 ships should have no hope what so ever of facing even a single cube. The stronger they make the Borg in all instances, the closer they come to their counter parts.

Also saying that it's 2409 and not 2373 means nothing because the Borg adapt to all situations, including the passage of time and the invention of new technology and weapons by their enemies. They should be as serious of a threat in 2409 as they were in 2373.
Ah but the same could be said for our gear, it has been adapted to defeat the borg. Also the borg cannot adapt to what they cannot assimilate.

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# 36
10-17-2013, 06:38 AM
So...

...for all but the very highest of DPS producers out there, there is once again, finally, a vague reason to enter a STF in anything other than a dakka machine. A reason to use a variety of ship configs and setups, a benefit to using a non-DPS focused build, a point to bringing a sci ship or a tanky cruiser into a run. That's a good thing, isn't it? It makes the game more interesting, doesn't it?

I consider myself an average player. I manage fine on all ESTFs with a 4k Avg DPS Sci ship and I really only find I am a detriment to my team on Level 7+ of NWS. Sometimes I die 3 or 4 times, sometimes I don't die at all, and in all honesty, most of my deaths resulting from the shield neutralizer come from me not hitting the right sequence of boff abilities, even when I get tag teamed by them.

But sure, go ahead and get the Borg nerfed. Again. Failing that, people could ask for Normal STFs to give more rewards if it's all too difficult instead of people crying nerf all the time when they try to put some minimum of challenge into the game.

Personally, I want the word 'Elite' to mean Elite and I would still play them over Normals even if Elites carried no rewards at all.

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# 37
10-17-2013, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
Even if you are, the shield neutralizer can demolish your shields quite fast.

http://youtu.be/vPzJSBHG4pI?t=2m12s

And just as a reminder of how powerful the Borg truly are. That was a single assimilation cube against most likely the entire 3rd fleet, as the 3rd fleet guards Utopia Planetia and Earth. The Borg in STO are grossly under powered when compared to their canon counter parts. 6 ships should have no hope what so ever of facing even a single cube. The stronger they make the Borg in all instances, the closer they come to their counter parts.

Also saying that it's 2409 and not 2373 means nothing because the Borg adapt to all situations, including the passage of time and the invention of new technology and weapons by their enemies. They should be as serious of a threat in 2409 as they were in 2373.
Not if their "new and improved" 2409 adapted technology as been recovered and backwards engineered, which it pretty much has.
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