Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 61
# 401
10-18-2013, 06:54 PM
I don't see the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier on that list. Thought I was gonna get the commands on that ship but I guess not.
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 477
# 402
10-19-2013, 03:41 AM
Odyssey gets all four commands, but not the Bortasqu'...

It is not so much about getting that fourth command for the sake of completion, but to get the aggro aura in order to be a viable tank, since it will be an integral cornerstone for any future hi-end tank (and yes, they do have a purpose in STO). As a KDF player I want to have a Klingon-design ship choice to do that, and not being pushed to a non-Klingon design And as I said, there are plenty of sensible choices: The Vo'quv, the Bortasqu', the Negh'Var...

I know that these ships, in contrast to Odyssey and co., can equip cannons. So why not give these Klingon ships three commands as it is, but a different variation, i.e., Attract Fire, Strategic Maneuvering, and Shield Frequency Mod. ? No Weapon System Efficiency in order to compensate for their cannons.

Otherwise my question would be: What is the supposed niche for a Bortasqu' War Cruiser or Negh'Var in PvE endgame? Damage dealing?? In every respect there are better choices amongst cruisers, e.g., the Vor'Cha. Tanking? Without the aggro aura they have a profound disadvantage here, too...
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Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 77
# 403
10-19-2013, 05:32 AM
What about the jem heavy escort carrier?
It doesn't have the 10% bonus def like escorts and soon cruisers that can load dhc will out turn it
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,221
# 404
10-19-2013, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kallex76 View Post
I don't see the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier on that list. Thought I was gonna get the commands on that ship but I guess not.
Its not any type of cruiser, so why would it gets the cruiser commands?

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What about the jem heavy escort carrier?
It doesn't have the 10% bonus def like escorts and soon cruisers that can load dhc will out turn it
Also, again, not a cruiser in any way.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 20
It is is ridiculous that KDF who lack two to three of the setups that the Feds have are slighted again, yet again by being second tier.

No 5 tac consoles, no 5 weapon slots, no 4 powers.

Why not just give all Feds an extra tac, weapon and power?
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,276
# 406
10-20-2013, 07:39 AM
It does seem odd that the Bortas classes don't get attract fire. I mean look at thing. It screams, I'm going to fire very large guns at you as I lumber towards you, while you shoot at me and it does nothing....then you die. I would think that Attract Fire will be its first ability.

And just for something random, considering how big some of the ships are getting, we've got the Scimitar now, and the Voth City Ships are going to be enemies in the near future. Why do I get the crazy sensation we're gonna get the Klingon Cardassian Alliance Negh'Var from the mirror universe????

Anyway, as far as the Bortas is concerned how about a variation. The Bortas'qu Command vessel is an engineering focused cruiser. Why not have that singular edition have all four commands?

That said from an in story perspective it makes sense. For the Klingons this is a duplicated technology from espionage. It would be illogical for them to perfectly duplicate the tech and thus get the full range of abilities. (it would be nice if the Klingons came up with something for Starfleet to hijack). Truth is Attract Fire doesn't fit in to Klingon design philosophy. Klingons since they got the cloak, have a strike hard and fade away attack ideal. Their ships are hard as they come, but they're much more interested in destroying enemies than taking hits for their allies. But even then it's still odd that their heavy hitters, the Bortas and Negh'var aren't getting this. Those are both siege ships that are designed to take heavy punishment.
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Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 477
# 407
10-22-2013, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by captaind3 View Post
It does seem odd that the Bortas classes don't get attract fire. I mean look at thing. It screams, I'm going to fire very large guns at you as I lumber towards you, while you shoot at me and it does nothing....then you die. I would think that Attract Fire will be its first ability.

And just for something random, considering how big some of the ships are getting, we've got the Scimitar now, and the Voth City Ships are going to be enemies in the near future. Why do I get the crazy sensation we're gonna get the Klingon Cardassian Alliance Negh'Var from the mirror universe????

Anyway, as far as the Bortas is concerned how about a variation. The Bortas'qu Command vessel is an engineering focused cruiser. Why not have that singular edition have all four commands?

That said from an in story perspective it makes sense. For the Klingons this is a duplicated technology from espionage. It would be illogical for them to perfectly duplicate the tech and thus get the full range of abilities. (it would be nice if the Klingons came up with something for Starfleet to hijack). Truth is Attract Fire doesn't fit in to Klingon design philosophy. Klingons since they got the cloak, have a strike hard and fade away attack ideal. Their ships are hard as they come, but they're much more interested in destroying enemies than taking hits for their allies. But even then it's still odd that their heavy hitters, the Bortas and Negh'var aren't getting this. Those are both siege ships that are designed to take heavy punishment.
Exactly!!! One must not forget that any ship with Attract Fire has a double-disadvantage: You lack the bonus aggro AND your aggro is being reduced when someone else has the aura turned on in your group :-( Aside from cross-faction lockbox-ships, the only KDF ships that get Attract Fire are unsuited for tanking, i.e., taking some beating: The Dacoit, the Marauder, and the Corsair (all with only mediocre hulls and shield modifiers)... Cryptic, I beg you to reconsider this! The Bortasqu', the Negh'Var, the Vo'Quv... all with stats DESIGNED to tank... but these ships will NEVER be able to take the tanking role in any hi-end content if this stays like this :-/

My suggestion:
Replace Command - Weapon System Efficiency with Command - Attract Fire for the Bortasqu' War Cruiser, the (Fleet) Negh'Var and the (Fleet) Vo'Quv.
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Last edited by kagasensei; 10-22-2013 at 01:02 PM.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 71
# 408
10-23-2013, 05:19 AM
Are these abilities on Holodeck yet? And if not when will we get them?
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 137
# 409
10-23-2013, 09:53 PM
Sooo... Romulan engineers get shafted? Niice. Not.
Career Officer
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 14
If anyone needed auras, it was science for healing purposes. As it is, we use all our heals on ourselves because its a royal pain to heal anyone else.

At the very least, give science the ability to have a friendly target and a hostile one selected at all times. This way if we heal, the heal goes to the currently selected friendly unit. If we use an attack skill, it is used on our hostile target.

How about letting the engineers buff, and the science heal with auras.

Seriously, Science needs love guys.
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