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# 21
10-22-2013, 12:57 PM
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They generally do when a treaty is negotiated at gunpoint.
Really? *points at Treaty of Versailles*

Please, do continue.

anyways, I have to wonder if a fourth faction might involve some sort of cooperation between Cardassians and the Dominion. Not quite the same as the old alliance, but something that lets Dominion commanders fly Cardassian ships and vice-versa.
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# 22
10-22-2013, 01:02 PM
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anyways, I have to wonder if a fourth faction might involve some sort of cooperation between Cardassians and the Dominion. Not quite the same as the old alliance, but something that lets Dominion commanders fly Cardassian ships and vice-versa.
Lock Boxes house Jem Hadar Destroyers and Heavy Escorts. You can also get the Dreadnought through Lobi or the Exchange.
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# 23
10-22-2013, 01:12 PM
even after such a long time I wouldn't expect that many bajoran-cardassian hybrids to warrant them spending time making them. i'm sure you could make them in alien anyway.

if you want dominion names the breen at least allied with dominion. maybe they would be allied with the true way. did the son'a not rejoin the ba'ku??? I've never read much about them tbh. they are mentioned maybe once in ds9 and of course they are in insurrection. but since the son'a are the ba'ku wouldn't that just be a dev team head ache trying to explain them in the game??

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# 24
10-22-2013, 01:20 PM
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Lock Boxes house Jem Hadar Destroyers and Heavy Escorts. You can also get the Dreadnought through Lobi or the Exchange.
The free versions would be slightly less powerful and something suitable for use by non-VA players.
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even after such a long time I wouldn't expect that many bajoran-cardassian hybrids to warrant them spending time making them. i'm sure you could make them in alien anyway.

if you want dominion names the breen at least allied with dominion. maybe they would be allied with the true way. did the son'a not rejoin the ba'ku??? I've never read much about the tbh. they are mentioned maybe once in ds9 and of course they are in insurrection. but since the son'a are the ba'ku wouldn't that just be a dev team head ache trying to explain them in the game??
The Son'a are a bit tricky because we don't know how many there really are. We saw several in Insurrection, and some of those either died or decided to go back to live with the Ba'ku. Maybe there are more out there?
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# 25
10-22-2013, 02:07 PM
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even after such a long time I wouldn't expect that many bajoran-cardassian hybrids to warrant them spending time making them. i'm sure you could make them in alien anyway.
I'd think there a lot more than we'd know about. Remember Garak and Kira went to an orphanage on Bajor that one time? I'm sure there were a fair few there, and if that was one such orphanage, there would be many others. That's only the hybrids on Bajor too.

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if you want dominion names the breen at least allied with dominion. maybe they would be allied with the true way.
Forgetting about the Breen for the moment; as far as I'm concerned, they parted ways with the Dominion and went back to their own space. The Dominion aren't allied with the True Way; it's rouge Jem Hadar (and likely Vorta) that are.

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did the son'a not rejoin the ba'ku??? I've never read much about them tbh. they are mentioned maybe once in ds9 and of course they are in insurrection.
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The Son'a are a bit tricky because we don't know how many there really are. We saw several in Insurrection, and some of those either died or decided to go back to live with the Ba'ku. Maybe there are more out there?
From my understanding of the Son'a, they were the Baku, at least, they were a group of Baku. Some of them didn't like living without technology so were eventually banished. They became the Son'a (likely using old Baku tech for their ships and such). They then went on the pillage worlds for slave labor etc (Tarlac & Ellora).

As with both of you, I'm not sure just how many Son'a there are. It's hard to believe their fleet consisted of only three ships (though I believe one didn't survive Insurrection; so now they're a fleet of two?)

It's more likely there are other Son'a out there, maybe the Son'a are descendants of the Baku and those settled on that planet are refugees of sorts. They had to come from somewhere themselves, maybe it was a Son'a Empire of sorts? None of this was properly fleshed out with Insurrection, so it's anyone's guess really.
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# 26
10-22-2013, 03:42 PM
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From my understanding of the Son'a, they were the Baku, at least, they were a group of Baku. Some of them didn't like living without technology so were eventually banished. They became the Son'a (likely using old Baku tech for their ships and such). They then went on the pillage worlds for slave labor etc (Tarlac & Ellora).

As with both of you, I'm not sure just how many Son'a there are. It's hard to believe their fleet consisted of only three ships (though I believe one didn't survive Insurrection; so now they're a fleet of two?)

It's more likely there are other Son'a out there, maybe the Son'a are descendants of the Baku and those settled on that planet are refugees of sorts. They had to come from somewhere themselves, maybe it was a Son'a Empire of sorts? None of this was properly fleshed out with Insurrection, so it's anyone's guess really.
Well, we do know a few things. the order of events went: [parent race] > Ba'ku > Son'a

So the Son'a are an offshoot of the Ba'ku who claim to have fled their homeworld because it was on the verge of self annihilation due to civil war or something.... It's possible we never saw the parent race because they did in fact wipe themselves out. It'd be funny if it turned out to be the Minosians. But that would required them to not self-annihilate for a few more centuries.

Anyways, back to the Son'a... do we have any reason to believe that none of the Son'a reproduced after leaving the Briar Patch? All the ones we saw in Insurrection were old, but it could be that only the old Son'a went back to the Briar Patch(in hopes of getting restored by the metaphasic energy).
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# 27
10-22-2013, 04:26 PM
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Anyways, back to the Son'a... do we have any reason to believe that none of the Son'a reproduced after leaving the Briar Patch? All the ones we saw in Insurrection were old, but it could be that only the old Son'a went back to the Briar Patch(in hopes of getting restored by the metaphasic energy).
It was clearly stated in Insurrection that the Son'a were infertile. No baby Son'a.

That said, they were allies of the Dominion for a time, and the Dominion had cloning tech, so...
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# 28
10-22-2013, 08:51 PM
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It was clearly stated in Insurrection that the Son'a were infertile. No baby Son'a.

That said, they were allies of the Dominion for a time, and the Dominion had cloning tech, so...
Yes, I was wondering about that too. what was the given reason for their infertility? Part of my brain wants me to think it was due to their life prolonging experiments.
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# 29
10-22-2013, 09:55 PM
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Yes, I was wondering about that too. what was the given reason for their infertility? Part of my brain wants me to think it was due to their life prolonging experiments.
I didn't see anything about infertility.
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# 30
10-22-2013, 11:06 PM
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Really? *points at Treaty of Versailles*

Please, do continue.

anyways, I have to wonder if a Third faction might involve some sort of cooperation between Cardassians and the Dominion. Not quite the same as the old alliance, but something that lets Dominion commanders fly Cardassian ships and vice-versa.


Fixed it for ya . Sadly my romulans are a sad shadow of the potential they could have been if they were a true "no strings attached" faction.
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