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# 21
10-21-2013, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by theraven2378 View Post
Daniels did say that the Klingons join the Federation by the 26th century in Enterprise, though the Federation and Klingons have had 2 previous conflicts with this being the third Federation/Klingon war, they need each other in face of the iconian threat, the dominion threat brought peace between these 2 super powers in 2373.

Maybe it's time for the Federation to swallow it's pride and admit the existence of undine infiltrators and get a negotiated peace and re sign the khitomer accords to bring this stalemate of a war to a end, the Klingons give up their conquests in romulan space and the federation give some of eta eridani as a buffer zone.
The Feds will never do anything sensible when the Feds are infiltrated by Undine themselves. Even after they discover a friggin' ADMIRAL in Starfleet was an Undine, nothing else is done about it, except in sending you to Romulan space to kill Romulans.

"Wait, how did that make sense?"

Obviously, killing Romulans is very much a valid course of action in finding the Undine within Starfleet and the Federation's ranks.

The Klingons had taken great (and bloody) pains in rooting out infiltrators, which could not have been a an easy or pretty task.
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# 22
10-21-2013, 11:54 PM
The future of the empire is grim. Gradually and with steps, it will become the part of Federation. The first step is giving KDF consoles to Federation which is happeneing as we speak. Next would be giving BoP to Federation once they start crying and moaning in a chior, something like "ooohhh! BoPs are overpowered" or "w??h w???h, mommy!!!! KDF slapped me in my new shiny lockbox toy. I want what they have".

The decision makers might lose against the agression of Federation whining, and you will see awful lot of federation players in BoP flying happily in sectors.
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# 23
10-22-2013, 01:21 AM
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Daniels did say that the Klingons join the Federation by the 26th century in Enterprise, though the Federation and Klingons have had 2 previous conflicts with this being the third Federation/Klingon war, they need each other in face of the iconian threat, the dominion threat brought peace between these 2 super powers in 2373.

Maybe it's time for the Federation to swallow it's pride and admit the existence of undine infiltrators and get a negotiated peace and re sign the khitomer accords to bring this stalemate of a war to a end, the Klingons give up their conquests in romulan space and the federation give some of eta eridani as a buffer zone.
Daniels only knew what was going on in his own alternate future, which was altered numerous times by Archer after that so don't treat it like it's some kind of golden truth. Also, why would the Klingon Empire have its own Temporal Investigation service when it's part of the Federation? The Vulcans and Andorians don't have their own timeships either.
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# 24
10-22-2013, 04:56 AM
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Well i'm glad we agree on what the romulan republic is, though its just as much a pet to the Klingon empire as it is to the federation.
I never said that the RSA was not a pet faction. It very much is. It deserves its on faction and the KDF deserves to retain its own.
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# 25
10-22-2013, 04:59 AM
Once again I say the best way to explain and implement cross faction play is to develop the war storyline that moves towards it at endgame.
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# 26
10-22-2013, 06:32 AM
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Daniels did say that the Klingons join the Federation by the 26th century in Enterprise, though the Federation and Klingons have had 2 previous conflicts with this being the third Federation/Klingon war, they need each other in face of the iconian threat, the dominion threat brought peace between these 2 super powers in 2373.
About that particular episode:

First: I always try to point this out - like misterde3 already mentioned - what Daniels has shown Archer was one possible future that could be altered or completely destroyed by actions of pretty much anyone involved, even our own chars in STO. There's no guarantee that the events would unravel exactly the same as Daniels portrayed it, because a minor something that Archer would do could probably alter the outcome of that proposed future.

Second: If I remember the episode correctly, Daniels never says that the Klingon Empire is a part of the Federation. He says that there is an alliance fighting the Sphere Builders that is led by the Federation and even Klingons are a member. This doesn't mean that the Klingon Empire aplied to join the UFP, to me this sounds much more like the alliance during the Dominion war. There was an alliance led by the Federation and the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire were members of that alliance against the Dominion, but not members of the UFP.

And finally: When it comes to talking in STO's terms and the game's own lore we have the Temporal Lockbox that introduced 29-th century timeships - the Wells and the Korath (later also the R'mor). This shows that even in the 29-th century the Klingons are not a member of the UFP.

About the thread topic: I don't think things are grim and dark as sometimes people make it sound. They're just a bit more complicated. For example, I agree that the KDF pugs on events that need large teams are pretty dead. But we are Klingons, in STO we have always adapted and made it work.
The last few days I've done over a dozen Klingon Starbase Defenses, the entire line of Borg ground and space STFs with pure KDF team and even the Big Dig. All of that courtesy of the channels listed in the KDF channels list thread. A big thanks for the people on these channels organizing these runs, it has been a blast.
Yeah, it's not as easy as queuing up for a pug, but if you ask around for help there are always Klingon warriors ready to jump in for a battle. We just need to be more organized and things will get done, the pop in the KDF is far from being that low so you can't get a 20 man team.

Personally, I don't want to join the factions, I want to keep them as unique a flavor as possible. I don't need to crossfaction, because I have played KDF since the beginning and with some effort I can get teams for anything most of the time. And I don't want to go to ESD, that friggin' place is a <REDACTED>. I avoid going there even with my Feds., so I use the Captain's Table. And Kahless forbid there ever be Feds on Qo'noS!
I like the peace and quiet on Qo'noS where a newbie can ask a question and get genuine answers, when you can share in game experiences and advice and where I even saw teams for STFs and fleet events being formed in zone chat. Try forming a team on ESD zone chat.

Summary - it's not easy, but then it has never been very easy for the KDF. That's what makes us generally good players of STO - we adapt, learn, cooperate and squeeze our assets even beyond their limits.
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# 27
10-24-2013, 10:24 AM
I guess that future for klingon empire it is war vs federation or war vs other race because without expansion their empire they will die.

You must know that klingon empire never will not live in the peace,they are warriors and they are live in war,they are not federation,to them not come vulcans,their culture based on war: destroy enemy or he will destroy you.


Klingon empire never will not live as federation planet,they are can't because they are warriors and they are can't live in friendship with federation.
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# 28
10-28-2013, 07:45 AM
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so instead of ending the war why no escalate the damn thing, give out faction unique items and keep them unique . make us different .

DEATH TO THE FEDERATION.
I like your style, I agree Death to the Federation! I disagree with the OP, and I think what would "fix" the thought processes of Feds is Holding PVP challenges.

You want to turn the KDF into a sub-faction of the Feds, you want to fold our proud warriors into your ranks, you are like Borg you wish to assimilate us!

Seriously you idea is bad. If you played both sides maybe you would see. I have 3 Fed toons, I never played KDF until months after F2P I only made a KDF toon to collect the free ship we got before f2p launch.

Now I play KDF mostly, because mostly they have the coolest Doff missions, but then again I enjoy uncloaking behind a fed and lighting them up before battle cloaking out.

BTW, Defiant Battle Cloak won't help feds.
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# 29
10-28-2013, 09:58 AM
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I like your style, I agree Death to the Federation! I disagree with the OP, and I think what would "fix" the thought processes of Feds is Holding PVP challenges.

You want to turn the KDF into a sub-faction of the Feds, you want to fold our proud warriors into your ranks, you are like Borg you wish to assimilate us!

Seriously you idea is bad. If you played both sides maybe you would see. I have 3 Fed toons, I never played KDF until months after F2P I only made a KDF toon to collect the free ship we got before f2p launch.

Now I play KDF mostly, because mostly they have the coolest Doff missions, but then again I enjoy uncloaking behind a fed and lighting them up before battle cloaking out.

BTW, Defiant Battle Cloak won't help feds.
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# 30
10-28-2013, 09:59 AM
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I never said that the RSA was not a pet faction. It very much is. It deserves its on faction and the KDF deserves to retain its own.
You mean, once the KDF faction is completed right???
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