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# 1 Is PvP fun anymore?
11-05-2013, 10:35 AM
I've been playing this game almost since the beginning. For the last couple of years, PvP has been what has kept me logging-on, the challenge of trying to outsmart other players.

Lately, it seems like PvP has become people just exploiting the same broken mechanism: beam power overcapping combined with Fire-at-Will.

I am not sure how much I am going to play in the future if it is not rebalanced. It is not fun to join a PuG and watch less experienced players be held helpless by one or two people who are exploiting obvious design flaws in the game to just spam ungodly powerful beams.

Do any other long-time STO players and frequent PvPers feel this way?
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# 2
11-05-2013, 10:48 AM
Unfortunately, there are more players who are so concerned with winning that they forsake themselves and go for these cookie-cutter, exploitive builds. I pvp often and pride myself on being unique and using my own tactics to win.

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# 3
11-05-2013, 10:54 AM
because the FAW spam, pvp was so balanced. I mean there were no obvious ships and builds, that were far superior to others, like ships with tacs and cannons, and BO.

^^ PVP was broken before FAW spam, it will stay that way.

altho I do support the nerf on the faw spam a bit, it is getting out of hand
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# 4
11-05-2013, 11:07 AM
Playing as and playing against faw boats is soooo boring. I think that's the biggest issue I have with the current meta. Still a new lockbox and no doubt another batch of stupidly ridiculous doffs is imminent. Hopefully something that makes faw boats less attractive is on the cards. I've purposely switched from using my op galor back to dhcs and its much more fun than spamming space bar with my eyes closed.
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# 5
11-05-2013, 11:13 AM
Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
because the FAW spam, pvp was so balanced. I mean there were no obvious ships and builds, that were far superior to others, like ships with tacs and cannons, and BO.

^^ PVP was broken before FAW spam, it will stay that way.

altho I do support the nerf on the faw spam a bit, it is getting out of hand

Any PvP that relies on complicated builds is going to have powers and abilities that exploit game mechanisms to optimize a role, but even as little as a month or two ago, there were wide varieties of people making a wide variety of builds.

Now, things are so broken that you can spend 50% of the time spamming a 4 Pi Steradian arc of DPS equivalent to a traditional DHC build, so everyone is flocking to this exploitative build-style because, unlike an escort with DHC, there are few tradeoffs. You do not have to keep anyone in your firing arc. All you have to do is fly in a circle and press the space bar.
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# 6
11-05-2013, 11:15 AM
your lucky if an enemy FAW boat just spams FAW the whole time, 1 person is being spared the brunt of ts firepower. the only thing truly out of hand is scimitars with beam arrays.

cannon and BO vapers are still the most deadly and effective killers. cruisers just arent harmless anymore.
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# 7
11-05-2013, 11:51 AM
While the particular toon that I fly around going wheee on has changed, that flying around going wheee in of itself hasn't.

Before Willard and his blipping T'varo, I flew around with Plague in his Chel Grett. Before Plague, I flew around with a preS7 tooon (deleted with my S7 rerolls) Sci in an Escort spamming Torps, Grav Wells, and TBRs...going wheeeeee. Before that, it was some other toon (my memory's not what it was)...before that, again some other toon going wheee.

It's casual pew pew fun - always has been - always will be. Getting blown up doesn't shrink my genitalia...for those that feel it does for them, well - they might not have as much fun.

Sure, I've made the odd off the cuff comment at somebody when they patted themselves on the back trying to inflate their egos while dwelling in sheer ignorance of what's going on...but that's what, once or twice a year if that? Likely when my sugar is high, I'm tired, my internet is acting up, and I'm gassy... heh, so yeah...

It's just pew pew fun...somebody's going to die. Sometimes it's them, sometimes it's you...get back in there and pew pew. Have fun, eh?
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# 8
11-05-2013, 12:46 PM
Its more balanced now with FAW boats than before when I could fly around arenas with my escorts and hardly ever had to worry about cruisers at all. Now I have to pay attention to them. Any ship can kill me as it should be.

DPS cruisers used to be only for clearing spam and support dps but now new builds and strategies have been developed and widespread to the masses.

I still have fun with all my current builds in PvP whether tacsort, sciscort, tac cruiser, engie ganker or Sci healer.
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# 9
11-05-2013, 03:43 PM
I still like to pvp once in a while, despite the odds against me as a pugger. I never let anyone or some weird tactic leave a bad taste in my mouth. Not a lot can phase me really. I have other things to worry about lol.
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# 10
11-05-2013, 03:58 PM

Sooo basically a limited firing arc heavy hitting weapon, you know, DHC, the weapon thats designed to be V powerful gets out DPS'd by a weapon with much much much bigger firing arcs is seen as normal then?

Or the fact that escorts, ya know, the ships that are supposed to be small, fast and deadly but have the trade off of a limited firing range and firing arc and a BOff setup that needs to be balanced between offensive and defensive, is now totally outclassed by a ship that whilst bigger and heavier (thus slower but stronger), has the superior survivability setup with BOffs, virtually no blindspots when shooting but throws out more DPS that the very ships that are supposed to do the DPS but thats seen as normal?

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