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# 111
11-06-2013, 07:18 AM
With a bit of internet research, you can get some fairly reliable rules of thumb about ship size verses crew for fairly modern ships. Warships tend to be fairly low to the water and not have much space. These ships hover around a ratio of 2 crew for every 1 foot of length. If you go by that, and given the length of 134.5 KM which converts to 441,273 ft, then this ship would have a crew of about 882,546.

On the other hand, if you look at some cruise ships, they have a crew to foot ratio of about 4 to 1, including all the passengers. Going by that, you would get a crew of about 1,765,092. And that's not taking into account the amount of space some of those people take up with staterooms, and all the shops and dining rooms, etc.

Personally, I would say that the cruise ship figure would be better given that the general shape of the ship is more like a cruise liner than a warship, but that's not factoring in the internal hanger bays and such that this ship has either. Still, I think a crew of at least a million wouldn't be that far off either way.

As for the borg, yeah going by what is shown in the TV shows, Borg living space is about 7 ft by 1 ft by 1 ft, or 7 ft cubed. Doing some math, and going for the ludicrous point of borg ships being a thin walled cube full of nothing but people, and adding its 3KM a side, you could cram in 136,213,714,497 people. So adding back in all the stuff you need for a ship, I have no problem with Borg Cubes having 130,000 drones stuffed in there.
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# 112
11-06-2013, 07:24 AM
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Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your Allies , up there on the Dyson sphere, are walking into a trap, as is your Federation Fleet . It was *I* who allowed the Romulans to know the location of the Omega molecules. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best Dinosaurs awaits them.

Oh, I'm afraid the Voth Fortress will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
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I am afraid that this is not a good direction, because firing RANGE is only 10KM. It makes from STO game of a dogfights. These big ships are maybe epic but inappropriate to play. Every ship larger than 500 m is too big because firing range in STO is only 10 km (in tv show 300000km )
Your statement is not totally acceptable. The Galaxy class is itself 642 m in length. Though I agree 10 km is too short, it also makes sense in the scheme of the game and the franchise. Most of the top tier end game ships with the exception of Birds of Prey and escorts are gonna go right through the 500m mark.

While phaser range is 300k km and torpedo range is longer, that's also an extreme distance for a ship to dodge. Most battles in the shows actually took place at the knife fight ranges of about 10km. Which makes sense because in ships that move at relativistic speeds and have faster than light sensors a whole light second is actually plenty of time for a computer to dodge.

That said extending range to fifteen km (and sensor range to 20km) probably isn't a bad idea. And especially against the Fortress a much longer firing range makes sense, since it isn't going anywhere....unless it phases.
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I don't know nearly nothin', but a borg cube isn't really a model for a living society. From the little that I think I do know, Borg living appointments are little more than a space to stand, they (likely) eat Nutripaste (tm) or 'Soylent Borg' (tm) (lol, came up with that one just now!) and really don't need much in terms of recreational spaces of lounging areas... so they probably fit 100-1000x the number of people into a normal living space.

I suspect there are dissertation-level analyses of this stuff out there (wave arms dramatically) in the Big Internet World; I just haven't had a chance to look...
Borg don't eat. Remember Seven of Nine retained her regeneration alcove for years, and had to be slowly reintroduced to eating because her digestive system had essentially atrophied from eighteen years of disuse.

Think more along the lines of rechargeable vacuum cleaners always plugged into a wall. Then stacked.
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# 113
11-06-2013, 07:42 AM
I just realized that for the whole Sphere...we could all loop the soundtrack of Eureka 7 (first series, Astral Ocean, and the PS2 games)...and I will be disappointed if there is not a USS/RRW/IKS Gekkostate in there doing it's thing.
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# 114
11-06-2013, 08:05 AM
You guys are looking at this wrong.
It's a "CityShip." You guys are focused on the ship, not the city.

NYC has an average population per square mile (as of 2010) of 27,012.

The CityShip is 135km long. Let's say 40km wide (I don't know for sure, just a rough guess.)
135x40 = 5400 square kilometers.
5400kmsq = 2085misq

2085x27012 = 56320020

Now, you might say that the Voth Ship isn't flat, it's 3d, and so we should be measureing cubic miles or something. Keep in mind that NYC isn't exactly flat either. Large buildings hold many people on a small square footage. Same for the Voth Ship. Though I would say the Voth Ship is likely more dense than NYC, so 56 million may be conservative.
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# 115
11-06-2013, 08:18 AM
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This ship is larger than the whale probe from Star Trek IV, bigger than V'ger even.

The fortress ship comes in at over 7 times longer than a Super Star Destroyer, and has a length that is about 10% longer than the diameter of the Deathstar Mk.1.

The fortress ship is between 7 and 8 times longer than the Titans in Eve.


I'm afraid it's still smaller than V'GER. Depending on which cut of the motion picture you see, V'GER was stated to be either 2 AU, or 82 AU in diameter (granted this was just the exterior energy cloud, but it was still part of V'GER).


Which basically means, V'GER is the same size of the Dyson Sphere itself, or a hell of a lot larger.

Unless you are talking purely about the smaller craft in the cloud centre. In which case, we could just throw the Unimatrix ships in as it.




I look forward to throwing my Sovie into this monster.
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# 116
11-06-2013, 09:09 AM
Lucky my Fleet Avenger is a beam boat, but still we may need bigger ships and guns here boys


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# 117
11-06-2013, 09:48 AM
That is no small moon, that is a ship! Looks like a whale and will give us a whale of a time shooting it.

I suspect it will take 30 seconds flying at full impulse to even navigate along its length.
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# 118
11-06-2013, 09:48 AM
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Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your Allies , up there on the Dyson sphere, are walking into a trap, as is your Federation Fleet . It was *I* who allowed the Romulans to know the location of the Omega molecules. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best Dinosaurs awaits them.

Oh, I'm afraid the Voth Fortress will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
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# 119
11-06-2013, 10:15 AM
I can't imagine in canon only 5 Starships facing off against this thing. Did a bit of theoretical work last night with some fleet mates, these are excellent foundry writers and are creating their own sci-fi universes, and we came to the assumption that it would take an entire fleet of over 2,000 ships to tackle this monster and that doesn't even cover the technological advances of a civilization 65 million years more advanced. It's curious how the Voth haven't evolved into more advanced Q like beings by now.

It would've made more sense to make this a 20 man event or more if the game engine could support more. Multiple wings of Starships with multiple mission objectives that a group would have to coordinate on.
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# 120
11-06-2013, 10:17 AM
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You guys are looking at this wrong.
It's a "CityShip." You guys are focused on the ship, not the city.

NYC has an average population per square mile (as of 2010) of 27,012.

The CityShip is 135km long. Let's say 40km wide (I don't know for sure, just a rough guess.)
135x40 = 5400 square kilometers.
5400kmsq = 2085misq

2085x27012 = 56320020

Now, you might say that the Voth Ship isn't flat, it's 3d, and so we should be measureing cubic miles or something. Keep in mind that NYC isn't exactly flat either. Large buildings hold many people on a small square footage. Same for the Voth Ship. Though I would say the Voth Ship is likely more dense than NYC, so 56 million may be conservative.
lol, 1 torpedo and 11 mil. voths die ???
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