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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 11
11-06-2013, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyguardx View Post
My understanding is that the tokens will be for all existing reps. The # of marks for turn-ins vs commendation use will later be adapted for the old reps if it works out for the Dyson rep.

Heavyguard
If you watch the video and read the dev blogs, the tokens are for the new rep only. THe old reps are not going to change. Brandon did say if the community likes the new system then they possibly will outfit the old reps with the new system.

This is good news at least partially. But the thing that I don't like is for some reason with the last patch on TRIBBLE, they doubled all the costs for the rep and gear. So I say no don't double the cost but ad the new token system and add the sponsor system as well so was can max rep the alts.
Captain
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# 12
11-06-2013, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mccarronxld View Post
That really sucks did they give a reason as to why?
Yeah because its too easy to max the rep with what they were giving us. I hear they are changing the name from STAR TREK ONLINE to STAR GRINDING ONLINE.

God forbid they actually simplify the system and allow us to focus on the game play instead of grinding, grinding, grinding. This is why I haven't touched Nukare rep and unless there is a game busting reward from the new rep I won't touch it either.

I am sick of grinding that is the reason I quit Evony and Batheo. The games turned into endless farming for resources and there was no way to enjoy the game.

They are lucky I am a STAR TREK fan so I have no plans to quit this game.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 13
11-06-2013, 12:04 PM
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=384

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=373
Actualy reading things pefore posting will make you look smarter than yelling loudly. Reading comprehension is aparently a lost art.

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# 14
11-06-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
They tripled the input costs for EC at the same time.

God forbid the focus is actually on the content itself, rather than the associated grind...
The project costs still cost less than the similar projects in reputation. Remember that that cost doesn't go up with tiers.
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# 15
11-07-2013, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stirling191 View Post
They tripled the input costs for EC at the same time.

God forbid the focus is actually on the content itself, rather than the associated grind...
The focus of content is the grind. The game is artistically wonderful, all you have to do is hit spacebar and enjoy the graphics.
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# 16
11-07-2013, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by heavyguardx View Post
My understanding is that the tokens will be for all existing reps. The # of marks for turn-ins vs commendation use will later be adapted for the old reps if it works out for the Dyson rep.

Heavyguard
This will likely end the superior status of ISE and other STFs as dilithium grinds.
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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,449
# 17
11-11-2013, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by milanvorius View Post
This will likely end the superior status of ISE and other STFs as dilithium grinds.
ISE with a good team is still the fastest, easiest mission in the game. Three minutes and you're done. Even with a significantly reduced reward, it'll remain the best source of Omega whatevers.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,351
# 18
11-11-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rob2485 View Post
Yeah because its too easy to max the rep with what they were giving us. I hear they are changing the name from STAR TREK ONLINE to STAR GRINDING ONLINE.

God forbid they actually simplify the system and allow us to focus on the game play instead of grinding, grinding, grinding. This is why I haven't touched Nukare rep and unless there is a game busting reward from the new rep I won't touch it either.

I am sick of grinding that is the reason I quit Evony and Batheo. The games turned into endless farming for resources and there was no way to enjoy the game.

They are lucky I am a STAR TREK fan so I have no plans to quit this game.
I agree with you 100%!!! I am tired of finishing a grind to get the best "X" and then they release something better a day/week/month later before I can even make use of it in PvP
Captain
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# 19
11-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by futurepastnow View Post
ISE with a good team is still the fastest, easiest mission in the game. Three minutes and you're done. Even with a significantly reduced reward, it'll remain the best source of Omega whatevers.
Three minutes? What are you doing, destroying the gate right out of the box?
Specialist
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 20
11-11-2013, 07:42 PM
I'm really getting sick of Cryptic's crap with regards to grinding. It is NOT content. Let's gloss over the fact they're MASSIVELY ripping off both Death Star trench runs in "The Breach" and let's forget they're basing this off one of the WORST Voyager plotlines (a show that admitted it didn't give a rat's butt about quality or continuity) -- a choice which is akin to building a castle offshore on sand and in the circle of fire with 5 tsunamis heading your way, but oh yeah you added your "own" talents to the design and made it out of paper -- but this ENDLESS grind system MUST STOP.

It's bad. I have 2 free character slots, but WILL NOT start new characters. Not with this pure bullcrap grind system in place. Not with all the changes they made to the dilithium system -- making everything cost several times dil they used to, and making all things that reward dil give a fraction of what they used to. I will NOT subject myself to another grind like that, because the way Cryptic is going IT WILL NEVER BE FINISHED grinding.

My fleet shipyard on fed side is T3 still. My KDF fleet shipyard is T2. What do they do? They say "Oh, fleets have already maxed out their fleet grinds, we won't get anything from them -- let's make a new shipyard tied to the spire grind!"

It's absolutely obvious why they are doing this. There is NO honorable justification for doing this. They're basing their decisions on a minority of the game's progress in a stupid grind system, and shafting 80% of us up the afterburners that don't have that kind of fleet progress.

I can't even play the game. I can barely work on daily needs for omega grind, rom grind, nukara grind, fleet grind, times 2 factions (KDF and FED), times 4 toons. I'm out of time and have DONE NOTHING just barely getting some of the basic grind done. I can't even play the game anymore. I can't enjoy it.


If this keeps up, not only will I NEVER start another character, I will quit. I've done it before. I'll do it again. Cryptic needs to wise up and get their heads out of... that dark place... and stop the OBVIOUS money grabbing grind.

Repeat it with me: GRINDING IS NOT CONTENT.
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