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# 11
11-06-2013, 11:56 AM
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This is the purpose of lockbox consoles entirely.

Some consoles just make so much sense, and are so great, they need to be cross-faction (Plasmonic Leech being an obvious example). Not to mention, having a romulan in a non-Warbird and the frustration of owning a Valdore but not being able to use it's console.

If you need a RP reason, think about the real world. When one faction obtains a new technology, there isn't much time delay between other factions obtaining the very same technology, via combinations of espionage, realizing what is possible, background discoveries that naturally lead to such innovations, and of course the mother of all inventions being necessity, what could be more necessary than a rival having tech in an arms race that is superior to your own?
I understand where you're coming from.

Cross faction consoles are a horrible mistake. For example: look at Real Time Strategy Games. Factions are different for a reason. Look at fighting games. Fighters have different fighting styles for a reason. If every person/faction was the same had had access to everything, they're wouldn't be a need for factions in RTS games, and every fighting game would have 1 fighter at the selection screen.

No worries tho. The Valdore console is Romulan exclusive, most likely it will never be cross faction. It's boarder line overpowered. Feds with elite phasers and Valdore consoles. Shield heals would never end, or something like that. Right? Can't just look at this from a PVE view. Sorry.
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# 12
11-06-2013, 12:40 PM
I agree, you cannot look at this from only a PvE perspective.

And the most important thing you haven't realized, this isn't an RTS, this is an MMO. Faction balance uses mirrors of each other. Look at WoW, Look at SWTOR. Class balance is unique per classes that way homogenization is avoided and things are kept interesting. Class balance is unique, faction balance is equality (or should be). If one faction is inherently more powerful than the others, why even play the others?

However, Romulans at present have such a huge advantage in PVP it's not even funny. Rather than nerfing Romulans, FED/KDF should be brought up to par. This console going to lockbox would be a great step in that direction.

And also, what would Romulans gain in exchange? How about the use of the Valdore console on non-Warbirds? Sounds good to me (who has 4 Romulan's with full T5 rep from all three rep systems).

Just my thoughts on the matter.
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# 13
11-06-2013, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Disagree, this would lead to some very OP combinations if it was available to Fed ships which are tankier then romulan ships like the Oddy, Fleet Nebula, or Fleet Star cruiser, they would be nearly unkillable.
I disagree with this assessment as well. In order for the Valdore console to do lots of healing, the ship must being doing lots of DPS. Zombie cruisers are good at healing themselves, but their dps is very sub-par, so they would receive a lot less benefit from this.

Also, in PvP, zombie cruisers are almost negligible because 5 players with teamwork can easily kill even the tankiest one, but that zombie cruisers isn't helping contribute to killing the enemies in a meaningful way. That's why zombie cruisers aren't often brought to top tier PVP matches. Also why engineers are the least useful for top tier PVP, but that is another discussion. (Also keep in mind, the Recluse is the pinnacle of this gameplay anyway, which everyone has access to.)
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# 14
11-06-2013, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by atlantra View Post
No worries tho. The Valdore console is Romulan exclusive, most likely it will never be cross faction. It's boarder line overpowered. Feds with elite phasers and Valdore consoles. Shield heals would never end, or something like that. Right? Can't just look at this from a PVE view. Sorry.
This can already happen with Romulan Feds.
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# 15
11-06-2013, 11:05 PM
I don't agree with OP.The same happened with Kdf consoles and look were is Kdf now .
Fed escorts/cruisers had their stats augmented by plasmonic leach while kdf was left as before LoR.
It seems that some people want the same to happen with romulans .

IF Cryptic will ever start lockboxing romulan consoles it would be unfair to everybody who rolled a romulan
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# 16
11-07-2013, 01:17 AM
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I don't agree with OP.The same happened with Kdf consoles and look were is Kdf now .
Fed escorts/cruisers had their stats augmented by plasmonic leach while kdf was left as before LoR.
It seems that some people want the same to happen with romulans .

IF Cryptic will ever start lockboxing romulan consoles it would be unfair to everybody who rolled a romulan
Unfair? You said unfair? The WHOLE romulan faction IS unfair against the Fed/KDF. The amount of advantages they have IS unfair against Fed/KDF. The Valdore console is one of these unfair advantages and it is clearly unfair. Why? Let me explain.

My friend plays a FED romulan, I play a FED human. He uses the Scimitar with the Valdore console, I use the Fleet Avenger. He wins Crystaline elite regulalry, I am happy if I am a 3rd or 2nd. Meanwhile I do the same or sometimes more dmg than he does, we uses very similar setup, very similar gear, mine is better.

We did not understood why I cannot win the Crystaline elite so we started doing measurements with ACT. It revealed that by dmg I should win many times, but the sole reason why he wins even with lower dmg is the Valdore console's shield healing which is astonishing on that map, not rarely it is above 1 million shield healing at the end of the event!

So you don't tell me that giving the Valdore console to KDF/FED would be unfair, it would only decrease the unfair advantage Romulans currently have.
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# 17
11-07-2013, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
This can already happen with Romulan Feds.
I've got to go with atlantra on that one... it's a good console, but it only works on ships that have -40 overall power. Since most folks run the Attack preset by default (blowing stuff up is fun), that generally results in -20 Shield power. In other words... they kinda need the shield heals, since their shield points, regen, and so on are lower than what you have on a Fed/KDF ship. Well, a Fed ship, since KDF ships usually have lower shield modifier ratings by comparison.

I really don't want to picture what a Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator would do on an Aux2Batt FAWtilla.

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Unfair? You said unfair? The WHOLE romulan faction IS unfair against the Fed/KDF. The amount of advantages they have IS unfair against Fed/KDF. The Valdore console is one of these unfair advantages and it is clearly unfair. Why? Let me explain.

My friend plays a FED romulan, I play a FED human. He uses the Scimitar with the Valdore console, I use the Fleet Avenger. He wins Crystaline elite regulalry, I am happy if I am a 3rd or 2nd. Meanwhile I do the same or sometimes more dmg than he does, we uses very similar setup, very similar gear, mine is better.

We did not understood why I cannot win the Crystaline elite so we started doing measurements with ACT. It revealed that by dmg I should win many times, but the sole reason why he wins even with lower dmg is the Valdore console's shield healing which is astonishing on that map, not rarely it is above 1 million shield healing at the end of the event!

So you don't tell me that giving the Valdore console to KDF/FED would be unfair, it would only decrease the unfair advantage Romulans currently have.
For winning Crystalline... use torps, and cross-heal your teammates. Pure energy builds play right into the thing's resistances; I have a character with absolutely no skill at all in torps that can still out DPS my others... and that character cannot win CCE for the life of him. As far as cross-healing, it's sort of surprising how many don't bother to use heals on their allies... and healing definitely plays a role in scoring. I don't know for sure the metrics Cryptic is using to score the winner, but it does seem to really like it when you bother to keep other people alive...

Crud, now it's going to be harder for me to get first in my Ambassador.
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# 18
11-07-2013, 03:03 AM
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For winning Crystalline... use torps, and cross-heal your teammates. Pure energy builds play right into the thing's resistances; I have a character with absolutely no skill at all in torps that can still out DPS my others... and that character cannot win CCE for the life of him. As far as cross-healing, it's sort of surprising how many don't bother to use heals on their allies... and healing definitely plays a role in scoring. I don't know for sure the metrics Cryptic is using to score the winner, but it does seem to really like it when you bother to keep other people alive...

Crud, now it's going to be harder for me to get first in my Ambassador.
You did not get the point. The point was NOT how to win CCE, the point was that a romulan with a Valdore console has an innate huge advantage. My friend in the example does not cross heal as well, both of us go for dmg and kill, both of us can keep ourself up pretty good. Even he wins against cross-healing cruiser pilots as well, for example we saw once a cruiser done ~600k healing overall and still my friend won with his almost ~800k valdore-console shield heal + usual self healing, which went to himself only. Majority of these healing was of course overheals, but unfortunatelly it seems the system counts overheals too, not only effective heals. Even if I crossheal others still simply cannot compete with him, just because of that console. THIS is the point, not how to win CCE.
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# 19
11-07-2013, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sanquora View Post
You did not get the point. The point was NOT how to win CCE, the point was that a romulan with a Valdore console has an innate huge advantage. My friend in the example does not cross heal as well, both of us go for dmg and kill, both of us can keep ourself up pretty good. Even he wins against cross-healing cruiser pilots as well, for example we saw once a cruiser done ~600k healing overall and still my friend won with his almost ~800k valdore-console shield heal + usual self healing, which went to himself only. Majority of these healing was of course overheals, but unfortunatelly it seems the system counts overheals too, not only effective heals. Even if I crossheal others still simply cannot compete with him, just because of that console. THIS is the point, not how to win CCE.
In my opinion what you say it is that the score on CCE is not calculated right and if self healing would be taken out or its value diminished then it would be ok with fed not having the valdore console.
In PVP perspective a Avenger FAW/A2B/Marion with valdore console looks like a nightmare .
KDF ships would benefit far less than Kumari/Avenger and that 2 ships would become very or almost impossible to kill in PVP so again in my opinion a fair solution it would be that Cryptic change the way the calculate scores in PVE.
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# 20
11-07-2013, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dova25 View Post
In my opinion what you say it is that the score on CCE is not calculated right and if self healing would be taken out or its value diminished then it would be ok with fed not having the valdore console.
In PVP perspective a Avenger FAW/A2B/Marion with valdore console looks like a nightmare .
KDF ships would benefit far less than Kumari/Avenger and that 2 ships would become very or almost impossible to kill in PVP so again in my opinion a fair solution it would be that Cryptic change the way the calculate scores in PVE.
Well, I admit, that if the score calculation were better, then the advantages from using the Valdore console would be much much less, I agree on that.

However, on the second thing, I don't think that az Avenger FAW/A2B/Marion with valdore would be more scarier than the already existing Scimitar FAW/A2B/Marion/Valdore console/battle cloak/secondary shield/singularity core abilites etc.
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