Rihannsu
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# 11
11-06-2013, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by talonxv View Post
Not because I say so, because it would even up the lines with the federation for starters and give us a broader base from which to choose. How bout we stick to that eh?
Those ships were created back when it was harder to level in the game and you would actually spend some time in those ships, if the game launched today a lot of them would be gone or placed in the C-Store; I heard Dstal say last week the Luna class Recon Sci Vessel would have for sure been a C-Store ship if the game was released today.

Listening to Captain Geko today he said that it takes on average a ship artist three months or more to make a player ship. Right now there are about seven or so new ships in the works (the two new Voth lockbox ships, the Winter Event ship, the Aniversary Ship, two new KDF ships, and a Romulan Vesta analogue), now to bring the Romulans equal to the Feds for level up ships that would require another seven ships, with the three ship artists they now have (it was two until few months ago) that is seven months of work for them for low level ships (not counting the Lockbox ships that pay the bills and the C-Store ships that do a fraction of that). That simply is not going to happen, Cryptic's STO team has said that the majority of gameplay is meant to start at endgame. Committing to seven months of development time for one faction of three and to low level ships at that is significant, far more likely we will see an occasional Ar'kif style 3 ship release, a free low level, a low level C-Store and a end game C-Store ship but it is going to be buttressed by a few Fed C-Store ships and a lockbox.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
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# 12
11-06-2013, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameisnom View Post
No we REALLY don't need anymore stupid sci ships. I hate them. If you sci's want sci ships ally with feds or be a damn fed...engi ships need more turn rate, I mean theyre engineer ships, they should have a BETTER turn rate than tac or sci ships cuz the're BLOODY ENGINEERING SHIPS
Are you pigeonholed often? Or are you the one doing the pigeonholing? Both the KDF and trhe Republic are seriously hurting for real sciene ships. You haven't played many PvP matches have you? A good player REGARDLESS of career can do some pretty amazing things in a science ship. Goodness knows I've been sci-spammed numerous times. You sir, are a TROLL!!!!!
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# 13
11-06-2013, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by talonxv View Post
Not because I say so, because it would even up the lines with the federation for starters and give us a broader base from which to choose. How bout we stick to that eh?
Leveling is incredibly easy...we don't need them to waste time making more ships that person could level out in a day or two easy enough.

If anyone needs some new ships right now it's the KDF...I say that and I'm primarily a Romulan player these days.

I want a Romulan full carrier, but I can wait for that till Klingons get some much needed love.
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# 14
11-06-2013, 10:06 PM
Rather than more sci ships...shouldn't they fix Science first? Outside of pvp its terrible, and the only good sci ship atm is the Vesta; which is because it's an escort. When Science is fixed Romulans will have a big lack, though the T'varo is a good sci-scort along with the Dhelan in that interim. But fixing the skills themselves should be far more important than producing a weak ship that will not sell. (So to reiterate, Science needs to be better, but there is a crippling lack of any Sci vessels Romulan side; just buffing Science in general should come first)

As for the KDF if I was in charge I would just let Fed and KDF chars buy Romulan ships, it would give KDF a big influx of choice they need, Fed's battle cloaks, Romulans would get to buy their allies ships, and Cryptic would make bank. But other than that at least they say they have plans for KDF ships coming up.

And yeah all ships should be for max level unless they do the Ar'kif style; even keeping the same skin and using a retrofit version.

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# 15
11-07-2013, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by talonxv View Post
Not because I say so, because it would even up the lines with the federation for starters and give us a broader base from which to choose. How bout we stick to that eh?
The Romulan starting line up is tactical enough without needing a dedicated Fed style Escort line.

They put an Escort like ship at T4 to save you from the horror of Cruiser style gameplay.

Now they've done that you are in escorts all the way.
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# 16
11-07-2013, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
Leveling is incredibly easy...we don't need them to waste time making more ships that person could level out in a day or two easy enough.

If anyone needs some new ships right now it's the KDF...I say that and I'm primarily a Romulan player these days.

I want a Romulan full carrier, but I can wait for that till Klingons get some much needed love.
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The Romulan starting line up is tactical enough without needing a dedicated Fed style Escort line.

They put an Escort like ship at T4 to save you from the horror of Cruiser style gameplay.

Now they've done that you are in escorts all the way.
Completely missing the point. How bout the fact sometimes I don't want to fly the same ships over and over again. Federation has more ships than I possibly have the time to fly and it's much easier and enjoyable to fly a natural progression cause it's easier to build up your crew.

Plus to me it breaks immersion. I mean to get the correct crew setup for that ship suddenly have to have 2 science to get the most bang for your buck on tier 2 and 3, then suddenly at 4 it flips to natural for a tac officer.

I mean honestly line shouldn't of been put out, same with KDF, without matching lines. Don't have to be carbon knock offs of federation, but good god they could of put a little more effort into getting 3 distinct lines then just shoving us through as fast as possible to lvl 50.

Sometimes, it's better to slow down and enjoy the ride, then get to the end fast as humanly possible.
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# 17
11-07-2013, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by talonxv View Post
... they could of put a little more effort into getting 3 distinct lines then just shoving us through as fast as possible to lvl 50.

Sometimes, it's better to slow down and enjoy the ride, then get to the end fast as humanly possible.
I completely agree here. I'm a *really* casual player and it only took me from LoR launch to the middle of the CE event to get my first Rom to 50. What was that, 2-3 months tops? I've heard some folks ding 50 in two *weeks*, and I just can't even fathom that.

Someone suggested reusing models with different stats to fill roles, and I think that'd be fine, especially at the lower levels. Since we know they won't bother with new designs for lower-level play.
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# 18
11-07-2013, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by talonxv View Post
Completely missing the point. How bout the fact sometimes I don't want to fly the same ships over and over again. Federation has more ships than I possibly have the time to fly and it's much easier and enjoyable to fly a natural progression cause it's easier to build up your crew.

Plus to me it breaks immersion. I mean to get the correct crew setup for that ship suddenly have to have 2 science to get the most bang for your buck on tier 2 and 3, then suddenly at 4 it flips to natural for a tac officer.

I mean honestly line shouldn't of been put out, same with KDF, without matching lines. Don't have to be carbon knock offs of federation, but good god they could of put a little more effort into getting 3 distinct lines then just shoving us through as fast as possible to lvl 50.

Sometimes, it's better to slow down and enjoy the ride, then get to the end fast as humanly possible.
Yes because it makes a lot of sense that a group that needs to align with another faction to be going around designing and building all of these new ships!

But to be serious though I mean really why? Escorts are the easiest to level with, Sci ships are significantly weak at lower levels, and low level cruisers are flying tubs that have no tac abilities.

So why go through all that time and effort to make all of these ships that almost no one will probably use. People really haven't complained about this, they fixed the one problem people had with leveling...and you know what that was? The fact there wasn't a escort option at t4.
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# 19
11-07-2013, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sovakofvulcan View Post
Any fans of the Star Trek Armada II Mod: Fleet Operations out there...

They have some great Romulan Models that I would love to see added to the STO game:

Generix Class -- "A medium sized and ranged unit, the Generix is equipped with torpedo weaponry. This load out enables it to deal high damage to large sized vessels as well as many medium sized ships - such as those the Borg would field. Bear in mind that it bears weaponry of a limited attack arc and it is thus important to consider this in fleet composition as well as hit and run attacks."

Rhienn Class -- "A relatively fast, small sized destroyer, the Rhienn is equipped with long range pulse weaponry. Although this unit is not equipped with exceedingly powerful weaponry, the Rhienn is an excellent distraction unit."

Shrike Class -- "Designed to counter Starfleet's Defiant Class, this vessel is fast maneuverable, armed with plasma cannons and projectile weaponry. In addition it as the added benefit of being able to transport away teams while cloaked."

Griffin Class -- "A medium ranged and sized cruiser, this beam based vessel is an effective warship against all sizes of enemy vessels "

& Leahval Class Science Ship
*raises hand* yep, really enjoy Fleetops and playing it regularly with a buddy of mine.

However I think you need to understand something important: it's a fan-project.
So they can do whatever they want with their stuff, but it can never be used in a commercial product like Star Trek Online.
I know it's frustrating to be told but it's one of those things we need to live with:
material from other game companies and from fans (outside of a CBS-held contest like the one for the Enterprise-F) are not going to end up in STO for various legal reasons.
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# 20
11-07-2013, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
*raises hand* yep, really enjoy Fleetops and playing it regularly with a buddy of mine.

However I think you need to understand something important: it's a fan-project.
So they can do whatever they want with their stuff, but it can never be used in a commercial product like Star Trek Online.
I know it's frustrating to be told but it's one of those things we need to live with:
material from other game companies and from fans (outside of a CBS-held contest like the one for the Enterprise-F) are not going to end up in STO for various legal reasons.
And that should tell you how messed up the legal system is. It is more concerned with litigation and money for the few powerful rather than the benifit of creativity and the greater gestalt.

Again I think back to Picard's quote to Q in "Ecounter at Farpoint"

"We humans know our past, even when we're ashamed of it. I recognise this court system as the one that agreed with that line from Shakespeare. Kill all the Lawyers."
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