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# 21
11-07-2013, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by atlantra View Post
I strongly disagree with this. KDF needs a reason for people to play as them. Don't take that away please. The Aceton console should never go to any other faction, or the Barrier field generator. KDF normally use low HP BOP's. These consoles give BOP's a slight edge they need to survive. Those console are the best defensive consoles in the KDF!

I'll will officially give up PVP, or even this entire game if this happens. It's that serious to me.
I'm a staunch advocate of different flavors for the factions. "Everything-for-everyone" from skill-trees, to equipment, to stores, to doffs has not contributed to a very rewarding experience for me.

I deleted a FED temporal science ship toon after realising the experience was exactly the same as the one I already had on a KDF one. The idea of grinding-out two was painful. I already have 9 KDF toons!!!

Factions need to be distinct. Consoles and abilities should be factional reflecting the distincy cultural and military history of that faction.

Once all the consoles are available to everyone, Cryptic really needs to evaluate where they are going with the factions in the game.

It is more profitable to build distinct flavours in the game. People would pay for the separation and uniqueness more so than having the same thing on three factions.

Making consoles cross-factional makes no sense to me. Cryptic essentially killed their own ship sales from the c-store.

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# 22
11-07-2013, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by atlantra View Post
I strongly disagree with this. KDF needs a reason for people to play as them. Don't take that away please. The Aceton console should never go to any other faction, or the Barrier field generator. KDF normally use low HP BOP's. These consoles give BOP's a slight edge they need to survive. Those console are the best defensive consoles in the KDF!

I'll will officially give up PVP, or even this entire game if this happens. It's that serious to me.
Son, if Aceton Assimilator spam is THE SOLE AND TOTAL reason you play KDF, frankly, you need to get a new hobby.
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# 23
11-07-2013, 08:19 PM
I think most long time KDF players agree, No more cross faction consoles or cross faction anything. New players never even bother to try the KDF out now and every time you can use something on your Fed that used to be exclusive to the KDF its one more reason for a new player to be Fed only.

Lets have some uniqueness in factions and new stuff instead like how they did the last lockbox console where it was a brand new one instead of stealing something from the KDF and giving the KDF a rarely used console in return.

I put a lot of time and effort into KDF characters, more then my Feds, and if KDF is allowed to further dwindle into obscurity lots of us KDF players will quit, A MMO needs factions to remain viable, all top MMOs need factions, not just one super faction.
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# 24
11-07-2013, 09:03 PM
seems the only faction that matters now a days is romulan,

hell, even all the klinks in kerrat are not klinks anymore, their romulan


and once more of the rookie pvpers let go of the love of classic federation ships as the back bone of the federation and just accept "a romulan ship could probably do the job better for the build" we will have awesome sause pvp going on in kerrat and in the cues:

can you see it right now?

fed and klink pvpers in kerrat flying around each other never knowing the other is there only to decide after 10 minutes of no fighting to leave the zone?

how about the glorious 5v5 with both teams cloaked? only to have after 5 minutes of no combat already degenerating into a shouting/dare fest on the zone chat?


hey, I have accepted the romulan ships are just plain better and have already retired my 3 klinks and soon to retire at least 2 of my feds on account of how great those ships are (and their consoles)


guess about 7 months from now after we all have read the hundredth "I quit pvp in sto cause I get stomped everytime I pull into a pvp with my fed ship that I love"

or maybe there is hope

maybe cryptic will fix the cloak mechanic to make it that it doesn't require tons of tons of resources to defeat something most all the cloak ships have as a simple button?

OH! to finally add,
I was one of those guys that joined around the time of the ody and the galor, I was so happy when my second character got up to 50 (a klink) and got to buy my c-store brel! GOD was that fun taking it out for the first time, looked just like it was right out of the show, after playing some matches and flying in kerrat I started to eye ball the other klinks and their ships,

WOW was it cool, they had carriers, and they rocked too! all these nifty different consoles to, then as I started my 4th character (another klink) destined to be a carrier klink, THAT week the cat carrier came out-

I stopped that klink character right there,

it went on to 50th level, and the last winter event I put her in a breen ship, between that time I got to see klink console after klink console make its way over to the fed side, you know, were pvp cues are hopping and doffs are cheap,

I was also fortunate to get a fleet brel pretty early on than most, only then to have romulans join the game, I say the tvaro makes what I was doing on that brel obsolete,

most days I log into my 3 klinks for additional storage, for some free doffs and contraband, that's about it, been months since I took anyone of them out for a serious spin in pvp, they are simply out classed or can be replicated on the fed side for a fraction of the cost

I read they plan to add some klink ships to the game, but I fear in less these new klink ships are like WOW! for pvp, that "faction" will continue to drain out, (not to forget to mention the fact, most "Klinks" aren't even klinks anymore, they are all romulans LOL in pvp, OH except a couple vets that bought bug ships and time ships, that still fly in pvp from time to time for the klinks)

and ya, aceton-- I bet that would be the last straw for most of the die hard klink pvpers out there, personally, I hope the day never comes the fed get it, I can see it now already, 10-20 acetons all draining from both sides in a 5v5 fed pvp, LOL! what a mess that would be!


I love the change cryptic did with just offering a brand new console!, but all of you take note of what the last few special weapons and consoles have looked like, it will be some form of a disable, a disable that will be op, a disable "DESIGNED" specifically to try and balance the field for rookie pvpers when they face off against vets

problem is, the vets cry bloody murder and jump on the nerf wagon to get these items toned down, (circuit, nuka mine, etc)

so who KNOWS if the noob pvpers will ever really have a shot in pvp, maybe what we see now is all there will ever be for matches and kerrat
Just because it is not a cookie cutter escort does not mean it should not be in the game.

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# 25
11-07-2013, 09:06 PM
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and ya, aceton-- I bet that would be the last straw for most of the die hard klink pvpers out there, personally, I hope the day never comes the fed get it, I can see it now already, 10-20 acetons all draining from both sides in a 5v5 fed pvp, LOL! what a mess that would be!
I like how you think it's fine for the klinks to spam 10-20 acetons all match, but are on the verge of quitting should it ever get done to you by the feds. This, exactly, is why I want the Fed to have aceton, is because people like you.
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# 26
11-07-2013, 09:49 PM
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Son, if Aceton Assimilator spam is THE SOLE AND TOTAL reason you play KDF, frankly, you need to get a new hobby.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with it. I paid my $15 for it. As a Science KDF general, the Aceton Assimilator helps me with my drain build (-32 all power), particle build (2100 damage when people shoot it), and it defends me from heavy projectiles spam. Don't really like the idea of people getting a $15 console for EC, or just 120 ZEN (thanks lock boxes).

The SOLE reason I play KDF is that federation ships are ugly, all except the defiant. KDF also have better to consoles, I don't plan on using them in extremely ugly Fed ships. By the way, I use Gorn ships, and never liked the idea of Wings in space...

(Funny Fact: The Varanus class support ship is was the main reason I joined the Klingon Defense Force. A Beautiful $20 ship with an epic repair console. Take my money Cryptic!)
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# 27
11-08-2013, 02:11 AM
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(Funny Fact: The Varanus class support ship is was the main reason I joined the Klingon Defense Force. A Beautiful $20 ship with an epic repair console. Take my money Cryptic!)
Funny fact : the Varanus is a copy/paste of the DSSV with 10% less shields cuz it's tagged KDF and then should be gimped like every KDF ship (minus orion cruisers).

I'm fine with giving AA to feds if they finally make fleet KDF ships worth something. They give everything to feds but we still have no 5 fore weapons ships, no single lt comm tact cruisers, nothing close to romulan alpha ships, gimped shields on varanus and bortas for NO reason, tons of bugs on the existing models, ...
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# 28
11-08-2013, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by this1isavailable View Post
Funny fact : the Varanus is a copy/paste of the DSSV with 10% less shields cuz it's tagged KDF and then should be gimped like every KDF ship (minus orion cruisers).

I'm fine with giving AA to feds if they finally make fleet KDF ships worth something. They give everything to feds but we still have no 5 fore weapons ships, no single lt comm tact cruisers, nothing close to romulan alpha ships, gimped shields on varanus and bortas for NO reason, tons of bugs on the existing models, ...

... no escort carriers and no science ship that comes even close to the Vesta. Also we have 'raider' class ships that were once unique in all regards, but are now pretty much obsolete since LoR (Cryptic even openly acknowledged this fact, but nothing has happened so far to give these ships an update).

I don't really give a damn about crossfaction consoles anymore. Let the feds have them all. The thing is that it doesn't stop here. They also demand to have full attention from Cryptic when it comes to new ship releases, usually combined with an argument like 'no one plays KDF, therefore only Feds should get new ship releases'.

Personally I have only one wish for KDF. Something that should be easily doable for Cryptic in no time: Remove FvF queues. At least then I don't have to wait for an hour until a PvP match starts.
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# 29
11-08-2013, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
I think most long time KDF players agree, No more cross faction consoles or cross faction anything. New players never even bother to try the KDF out now and every time you can use something on your Fed that used to be exclusive to the KDF its one more reason for a new player to be Fed only.
Differences between the factions can be nice. It motivates players to try the other faction and can help players who have seen everything to find something new, but I really do not care about the consoles.

Consoles are nothing but a bit of flair and for me they do not represent a faction. The difference should be in ships. A ship can really change the gameplay.
In the end none of that mattered when I chose KDF. I was playing both factions, when the starbases came I decided to focus on KDF and with the rep system my feds got neglected even further.
Why did I chose KDF? Because I like the flair, I like klingons. Did I look at the consoles? The ships? Not really. Although I do like battlecruisers. And it pains me to admit but all of my 5 KDF toons have a lockbox ship. I hope that will change with the next KDF ship release.

What the KDF would really need is a tv show focused on them. That would get us players.

Oh and for the pvp aspect: it would probably be best if both sides had access to all consoles.
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# 30
11-08-2013, 05:03 AM
Voth quite specifically have an aceton drone that functions similarly to the assimilator. Whether it comes out as a console in the box or with one of the ships, I have a strong feeling we'll be seeing it, but probably not the original assimilator, in player hands.
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