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Captain
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# 11
11-01-2013, 02:03 AM
Just a thought about proportions, maybe most ppl don't care but for me this is extremely important.


An example, For me the Odysseys proportions are totally exaggerated and not really a balanced design. Nacelles+Engineering hull are way too big, while the saucer is too tiny.
This make the ship look too heavy on the rear side. What a backstep to the 24th century TNG ship designs. I'm not saying they should turn the Odyssey or other new designs into GCS copies, but they shouldn't have make them Excelsior copies either.


Original:



Better (IMO):


These are just slight differences, but the dimensions on the lower picture are much better and make the ship look much more balanced and less like a exaggerated cartoon.

The point of a Starfleet design is to make it look somehow consevative (no exaggerations), balanced and make it look interesting at the same time.


When in doubt, Cryptics devs should orientate on Andrew Probert designs, at least he understands Star Trek IMO.


Just a thought on later Star Trek ship designs:

Quote:
Andrew Probert according to Star Trek Wiki:
"Gene Roddenberry was initially in charge of Star Trek: The Next Generation, as he well should be, and something happened politically to change that. You know, I had no idea what caused that change. But while Gene was in charge, he and I got along very well. We understood each other. And I liked him because of his creation of Star Trek, and he fully understood exactly where he wanted his show to go. Yet he was fully open to any ideas that we threw at him, and he would talk about that, and he talked about it intelligently.

"When Rick Berman took over the show, half way through the first season, every time we showed him a design concept, his constant response was, "no, we can't do that, because it reminds me of something that I've seen somewhere", or "it looks like a shaver", or "it looks like something I've seen in a furniture store". The only thing of note that Rick Berman did before Star Trek was a show called "The Big Blue Marble", a kid's show. For some reason, Paramount led him into this. I don't know. I've heard conflicted stories that Gene thought he was a great producer and wanted to bring him in. Whatever it is, Rick Berman did not, in that time, and, as far as I can see from what is being produced, does not understand science fiction. I've seen a lot of great concepts, by Doug Drexler and a few of the other illustrators that they have been working on, passed over in favor of much more controlled concepts. My experience with Rick Berman is, you know, he does not understand what he's doing, he does not understand science fiction.(...)

"I think Star Trek died when Gene died. Well, as I said, Gene understood exactly what he wanted for his show, and his main focus was maintaining consistency in the show. And everybody who cared about Star Trek eventually left the show. Bill Theiss, the costumer, left, I left, Bob Justman left. So... I don't know what to say, it was very frustrating working on that.(...)I think he [Berman] cares about it for the money. I think he cares about it because he is confident that, no matter what they produce, if it has the name "Star Trek" on it, people will go watch it. They'll complain about it, but they will still make money from the viewers. But, you know, this is just my opinion."
I think a similar thing applies to Cryptic, sadly.
Most new designs are just unimaginitve, unbalanced and simply plain ugly.

Maybe something new actually looks like a blow-dryer or like Car-Keys, who cares if the new design looks elegant and consistent to the faction it belongs.
But most of Cryptics designs just look like some generic Sci Fi designs, completely unrelated to Star Trek.

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Captain
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# 12
11-08-2013, 06:58 AM
Another possible alternative style would be like the new movies feature.
Ships could get much more fluid ship parts which would result in much more general fluid ship shapes .

Just an example:

(a HUGE thanks to the original artist.)

As you see even the bulky Excelsior would get a fluid general shape, while still being clearly recognizable as Excelsior Class.


I really wish Cryptics devs would make something like that for some ships in STO.

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# 13
11-08-2013, 03:57 PM
I would prefer to keep the JJ influence at a minimum.
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 14
11-08-2013, 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
I would prefer to keep the JJ influence at a minimum.
...because Cryptics designs look so much better?

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# 15
11-08-2013, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
...because Cryptics designs look so much better?
>_>


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............Yes.
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 16
11-08-2013, 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
I would prefer to keep the JJ influence at a minimum.
That's not JJ, though. It's a fan design, and to my eye looks much more like traditional designs than the wierdly proportioned JJ ships. A lot of the so-called "JJ" versions of ships on deviantart would look right at home in 2409, I think, like:

The Ambassador Class

The Nebula Class
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# 17
11-11-2013, 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
>_>


<_<


>_>


<_<


............Yes.
...no

In fact i have never seen such a big range of ugly and hideous Starfleet designs as Cryptics devs have made for STO.

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Originally Posted by alexmakepeace View Post
That's not JJ, though. It's a fan design, and to my eye looks much more like traditional designs than the wierdly proportioned JJ ships. A lot of the so-called "JJ" versions of ships on deviantart would look right at home in 2409, I think, like:

The Ambassador Class

The Nebula Class
Nice ships indeed.
What i like about them (and JJ styled ones) is they are much more fluid and elegant looking (proportions aside). Very much in contrast to the angular style Cryptics designers seem to prefer.

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# 18
11-11-2013, 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexmakepeace View Post
That's not JJ, though. It's a fan design, and to my eye looks much more like traditional designs than the wierdly proportioned JJ ships. A lot of the so-called "JJ" versions of ships on deviantart would look right at home in 2409, I think, like:

The Ambassador Class

The Nebula Class
The Nebula looks cool, but that Ambassador looks downright fugly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
Nice ships indeed.
What i like about them (and JJ styled ones) is they are much more fluid and elegant looking (proportions aside). Very much in contrast to the angular style Cryptics designers seem to prefer.
Oh please. The Venture class is (mostly) very pretty. The issue Cryptic has is very ugly deflector dishes.
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 19
11-11-2013, 06:53 PM
I am not a good artist myself, but when i see ship design like this:
LINK
LINK
LINK
LINK
Thanks to the original Artists
I really wish these people would work for Cryptic.


Here's my try.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/...dStarfleet.jpg

I would just like to see some other approach than cryptics rather unispired and too industrial looking ships. I even like the JJ enterprise much more than any of Cryptics designs. (at least that ship has character)


All that is (of course) just my opinion, all i want is a choice and more variety instead of getting just one ship style (like Odyssey or Avenger, let's not forget KDF and ROM ships)
With the Ship taylor, Cryptic gave us a great tool but lately (several years) we only get new ships, but no new ship parts (and styles) for our already existing ships.

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# 20
11-11-2013, 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
The Nebula looks cool, but that Ambassador looks downright fugly.



Oh please. The Venture class is (mostly) very pretty. The issue Cryptic has is very ugly deflector dishes.
You seriously want to argue about taste?
Sure the Venture looks OK, but that's just one design.
If i look at the Majestic, Noble or the Avenger or Odyssey i think otherwise.


As i said above, Cryptic should at least provide us with some alternatives.
Heck i would even like to see some more retro looking ship styles.

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