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# 11
11-09-2013, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post

Before I really set myself to task, I need to ask.

- Am I wasting my time? If I create something for the community, would you be willing to support it for the sake of just helping someone else realise a dream?
Yes, you waste your time!, to be popular Territory Control need to be implemented in game by cryptic and have new game mechanics.
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# 12
11-09-2013, 05:13 PM
Nobody doubts you're passion for improving PvP or our community, Drk. But you have to remember the demographic you're working with. You told me all those months ago to trust in Cryptic, to play the long game, you were convinced that PvP was going to be addressed in at least a small way with Season 8. And it hasn't.

Now, if that ^ happened in Season 2, or 3, we as a community would kinda understand. But when you're been told over and over for 4 years to hold our collective breathes, you can't be surprised to find a great deal of animosity or bitterness towards Cryptic and it's PWE Overlords.

Whether you like it or not, nothing is going to be truly successful until Cryptic gets behind it.

You organize Bootcamp well, and when it comes to *BootCamp* you make a great difference but that doesn't mean your choice to make a PvP Senate is too, or the idea to do BC podcasts, or the idea to do BC tournaments, or the idea to do a new type of gametype. It's TOO MUCH!

I (personally) have no faith in it anymore. I like the fact some of my guys are Coaches, and I like the fact some of LAG were students too. But I personally resent the fact that somebody has lulled you in with the promise of not-too-distant PVP content when deep down you should know better.

I aploud everything you and BC continues to do, I still suggest BC to newer players as a means of breaking into the community. - But I have to weigh that up with the cold reality that Cryptic and it's PWE babysitters have turned PvP into a heavily monetized place, where power-creep and the power to make a quick buck have ruined the game for us all. I don't blame PvPers, it's in our nature to do the best we can to win with what tools Cryptic have given us. But again, that's the demographic you've got to work with.

The day a Dev Blog gets posted that says Cryptic is going to invest in PvP, you will expect the numbers for your projects to SKYROCKET! The whole PvP community will jump on your wagon and with them everyone who will be eager to try PvP when they see the Dev attention. That won't happen without Cryptic making the first step, though.
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# 13
11-09-2013, 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquitaine985 View Post
Nobody doubts you're passion for improving PvP or our community, Drk. But you have to remember the demographic you're working with. You told me all those months ago to trust in Cryptic, to play the long game, you were convinced that PvP was going to be addressed in at least a small way with Season 8. And it hasn't.

Now, if that ^ happened in Season 2, or 3, we as a community would kinda understand. But when you're been told over and over for 4 years to hold our collective breathes, you can't be surprised to find a great deal of animosity or bitterness towards Cryptic and it's PWE Overlords.

Whether you like it or not, nothing is going to be truly successful until Cryptic gets behind it.

You organize Bootcamp well, and when it comes to *BootCamp* you make a great difference but that doesn't mean your choice to make a PvP Senate is too, or the idea to do BC podcasts, or the idea to do BC tournaments, or the idea to do a new type of gametype. It's TOO MUCH!

I (personally) have no faith in it anymore. I like the fact some of my guys are Coaches, and I like the fact some of LAG were students too. But I personally resent the fact that somebody has lulled you in with the promise of not-too-distant PVP content when deep down you should know better.

I aploud everything you and BC continues to do, I still suggest BC to newer players as a means of breaking into the community. - But I have to weigh that up with the cold reality that Cryptic and it's PWE babysitters have turned PvP into a heavily monetized place, where power-creep and the power to make a quick buck have ruined the game for us all. I don't blame PvPers, it's in our nature to do the best we can to win with what tools Cryptic have given us. But again, that's the demographic you've got to work with.

The day a Dev Blog gets posted that says Cryptic is going to invest in PvP, you will expect the numbers for your projects to SKYROCKET! The whole PvP community will jump on your wagon and with them everyone who will be eager to try PvP when they see the Dev attention. That won't happen without Cryptic making the first step, though.
Your not alone in being resentful of cryptic and bitter towards any investment in PVP. However it doesn't stop us from helping what little PVP we have left rather than leave it die a quiet death. Whether you want to go out with a bang or help others to enjoy PVP, there's no harm in finding your mo jo back and help out frontiers.

Just because we are neglected doesn't mean we neglect. I am willing to lend a hand to you Frontiers and I hope others will extend their helping hand to make new players's experiance that much better and to enhance our own PVP too.

Don't wallow in self pity old men, look to the future and stop living in the past. Of course we have to be realistic and expect no help from Cryptic, but we can help each other
Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
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# 14
11-09-2013, 09:52 PM
i just cant bring myself to do anymore then im already doing to help pvp. which is keep an eye on my pvp thread, kinda. really i just end up ignoring it for a week, and im not really sure why. i think i just feel foolish spending any time on it because pvp is such a dead end, such an elite club that the only good advice i can give is grind first, have fun later. its still fun for me to do it, i have a high % of the toys. but working to get more people interested in it just feels more and more pointless.

i really dont think our efforts will pay off until PVP content shows up in patch notes. perhaps table bootcamp and what ever else your up to till cryptic starts leading. the people that could help the community dont see it as worth their time, because they wont be able to have any actual impact until cryptic's official pvp policy stops being pretend it doesn't exist. we are lucky some of the system guys, proboly just on principle, want to keep things as balanced as possible for pvp, just in case 1 day that will actually mater to a real significant number of players.



the latest G&T gecko interview talked about there being a need to revamp everything that still is as crummy as it was at game launch, like the federation story content, pvp and crafting. if we actually see things going in that direction, and not ANOTHER new npc faction/adventure zone/rep/fleet holding, there might actually be some hope that pvp will get something next year.
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# 15
11-10-2013, 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquitaine985 View Post
Nobody doubts you're passion for improving PvP or our community, Drk. But you have to remember the demographic you're working with. You told me all those months ago to trust in Cryptic, to play the long game, you were convinced that PvP was going to be addressed in at least a small way with Season 8. And it hasn't.

Now, if that ^ happened in Season 2, or 3, we as a community would kinda understand. But when you're been told over and over for 4 years to hold our collective breathes, you can't be surprised to find a great deal of animosity or bitterness towards Cryptic and it's PWE Overlords.

Whether you like it or not, nothing is going to be truly successful until Cryptic gets behind it.

You organize Bootcamp well, and when it comes to *BootCamp* you make a great difference but that doesn't mean your choice to make a PvP Senate is too, or the idea to do BC podcasts, or the idea to do BC tournaments, or the idea to do a new type of gametype. It's TOO MUCH!

I (personally) have no faith in it anymore. I like the fact some of my guys are Coaches, and I like the fact some of LAG were students too. But I personally resent the fact that somebody has lulled you in with the promise of not-too-distant PVP content when deep down you should know better.

I aploud everything you and BC continues to do, I still suggest BC to newer players as a means of breaking into the community. - But I have to weigh that up with the cold reality that Cryptic and it's PWE babysitters have turned PvP into a heavily monetized place, where power-creep and the power to make a quick buck have ruined the game for us all. I don't blame PvPers, it's in our nature to do the best we can to win with what tools Cryptic have given us. But again, that's the demographic you've got to work with.

The day a Dev Blog gets posted that says Cryptic is going to invest in PvP, you will expect the numbers for your projects to SKYROCKET! The whole PvP community will jump on your wagon and with them everyone who will be eager to try PvP when they see the Dev attention. That won't happen without Cryptic making the first step, though.
Thank you Reg.

I appreciate your sincerity and I agree that I am partly the cause why Boot Camp lost it's focus.

I got carried away with things to be sure, partly because I was just excited by what it could become.

There is merit in the sentiment that so long as BC is doing what it does it could potentially prevent Cryptic from needing to do anything.

I believe though that PWE is specialists in numeric data and behind that their profit margins determine development.

The footprint of PvP needs to grow in order for serious changes to be made. It's not our fault, I agree. The community does not need to come-up with the solutions for PvP, that's Cryptics responsibility.

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 11-10-2013 at 12:08 AM.
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# 16
11-10-2013, 12:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by g0h4n4 View Post
Your not alone in being resentful of cryptic and bitter towards any investment in PVP. However it doesn't stop us from helping what little PVP we have left rather than leave it die a quiet death. Whether you want to go out with a bang or help others to enjoy PVP, there's no harm in finding your mo jo back and help out frontiers.

Just because we are neglected doesn't mean we neglect. I am willing to lend a hand to you Frontiers and I hope others will extend their helping hand to make new players's experiance that much better and to enhance our own PVP too.

Don't wallow in self pity old men, look to the future and stop living in the past. Of course we have to be realistic and expect no help from Cryptic, but we can help each other
Thanks mate. PvP and it's community are like a very vocal group of siblings on a road trip. We may scratch and claw each other's eyes out, but at the bottom of that theres always a bond.
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# 17
11-10-2013, 12:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
i just cant bring myself to do anymore then im already doing to help pvp. which is keep an eye on my pvp thread, kinda. really i just end up ignoring it for a week, and im not really sure why. i think i just feel foolish spending any time on it because pvp is such a dead end, such an elite club that the only good advice i can give is grind first, have fun later. its still fun for me to do it, i have a high % of the toys. but working to get more people interested in it just feels more and more pointless.

i really dont think our efforts will pay off until PVP content shows up in patch notes. perhaps table bootcamp and what ever else your up to till cryptic starts leading. the people that could help the community dont see it as worth their time, because they wont be able to have any actual impact until cryptic's official pvp policy stops being pretend it doesn't exist. we are lucky some of the system guys, proboly just on principle, want to keep things as balanced as possible for pvp, just in case 1 day that will actually mater to a real significant number of players.



the latest G&T gecko interview talked about there being a need to revamp everything that still is as crummy as it was at game launch, like the federation story content, pvp and crafting. if we actually see things going in that direction, and not ANOTHER new npc faction/adventure zone/rep/fleet holding, there might actually be some hope that pvp will get something next year.
You threads and help is what drives a lot of people to be better. You may not see the relevance from your perspective, but try see it from the player that has started to feel like a really pvper once he has learnt that he can win without the cheese of the exploit.
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