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# 51
11-09-2013, 07:10 AM
2 scimitar, 2 other cruisers and a random guy in an avenger.
Not a full premade but 4 members were novacore seeing as you asked.
All abusing the FAW spam.
Not the only fleet team that does it either.
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# 52
11-09-2013, 03:06 PM
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imo the majority of pugs are Tac, 2nd in line are sci. there are much fewer engis (or just healers in fact) than the afformentioned two. FAW is not broken, its just that most folks dont have the setup or the backup to get through them. 1) this is because they are pugs and faw is not broken. 2) this is not because they are pugs and faw is broken. bringing back the engi
I really hope you have evidence to back up your claims. From what I've seen, even healers in premades have a hard time healing in faw spam. I think there are a couple of things you don't realize about faw. Everyone agrees that FAW is not broken by itself. It's when you stack it with everything else that you start noticing some very broken things. But you probably meant that anyway. In any case, it's an already established fact that resistance to drain creates wonky effects with faw. Faw registers double damage. Stacks on faw can create very high sustained damage at over 30k dps. And whatever else I forgot. Things like that are very broken.

When you say things like that you make it seem like you've been too comfortable in your NC premade (or facsimile of it). You make it seem like you've been carried all this time in your matches, without having any real understanding of PvP mechanics.

Now, I know it might be possible to counter stacked faw spammage. Heck, I've even suggested a couple of non memorable tactics (different than just bringing heavy heals), but I was promptly told to mind my own business. One thing is certain though, it takes extreme measures to counter such an easy to setup and fly build.
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# 53
11-09-2013, 03:14 PM
Well if you want to punish FAW boats you can always whip out a cheese wedge group.. (4 Full Wells with a tholian recluse) and stomp them into frustration.. Though I posess a fully cheezed wedge I have never used it in PVP, it was a sci experiment (failed) to try to summon a photonic fleet for massive PVE against hive elite, OFC I didnt know the time rewind does not effect call-ins so Im stuck with a weirdly effective floating cheese...Maybe I should take it PVPing to anger the FAW crowd??
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# 54
11-09-2013, 05:01 PM
Punish schmunish...address the "proc" issue. Ignore the subjective, deal with the objective - a game with as few bugs as possible. Then evaluate the subjective if it's an actual issue...


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# 55
11-09-2013, 07:56 PM
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I really hope you have evidence to back up your claims. From what I've seen, even healers in premades have a hard time healing in faw spam. I think there are a couple of things you don't realize about faw. Everyone agrees that FAW is not broken by itself. It's when you stack it with everything else that you start noticing some very broken things. But you probably meant that anyway. In any case, it's an already established fact that resistance to drain creates wonky effects with faw. Faw registers double damage. Stacks on faw can create very high sustained damage at over 30k dps. And whatever else I forgot. Things like that are very broken.

When you say things like that you make it seem like you've been too comfortable in your NC premade (or facsimile of it). You make it seem like you've been carried all this time in your matches, without having any real understanding of PvP mechanics.

Now, I know it might be possible to counter stacked faw spammage. Heck, I've even suggested a couple of non memorable tactics (different than just bringing heavy heals), but I was promptly told to mind my own business. One thing is certain though, it takes extreme measures to counter such an easy to setup and fly build.


1) Up until maybe a month ago, I've been primary healer on most pugs. On occasion I would see another engi, mostly I saw 4 tacs and myself doing triage. that is my backup to my claim. this is the way it was since open beta. I figure, most folks want to be pew pew kirk, I bet you they're going to need a healer.

2) When I say things like that, I havent been too comfortable in my NC premade. Ask anyone in fleet, more often they will see me pugging rather than fleet premading. That's the way its been for a little over 6 months now.

3) Faw being used on me, is more often nothing I can't handle. That is mostly because I am on an engi. My current engi is a high pressure dps cruiser. I am pretty sure that if I went back to my faithborn/renim only tank/heal build, faw would be even more nothing. My build is a for-pugging build. That might also be why it doesnt seem to have an issue with faw as I am not always reliant on team support.

What faw forces people to do, is step away from min-maxing (unless they're really really really good at it), which most people aren't in all honesty.

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# 56
11-09-2013, 08:19 PM
But... but... but... Scimitars!!!!
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# 57
11-10-2013, 12:10 AM
damn ugly those things are, i prefer my ships to be very roddenberry-esque
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# 58
11-10-2013, 12:57 AM
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damn ugly those things are, i prefer my ships to be very roddenberry-esque
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# 59
11-10-2013, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by seansamurai1 View Post
2 scimitar, 2 other cruisers and a random guy in an avenger.
Not a full premade but 4 members were novacore seeing as you asked.
All abusing the FAW spam.
Not the only fleet team that does it either.
sto 2013 : buy everything from fleet stores from day one ,make a ship with 1 bind to rule them all and grind 10000 rep systems for buffs....that's pure skill.The game is what people deserve....nothing more or less.
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# 60
11-10-2013, 04:08 AM
I don't get why threads like this burst into flames at times, yes BFaW is one of those skills when 4 people use can be troublesome but what happened to people trying to stay alive long enough to annoy people who use it? You can't win every match but if I am to lose I still use it as practice in staying alive after all its a game not real life. Oh and on a side note you can get past BFAW spam you just need to be fast and get behind the ships; granted you wont get behind all the ships doing it sometimes but thats what your RSP, TSS and EptS is for to buff you while its on and then you can get cross healed or something.

I find Adapting is easier than crying Nerf most of the time
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