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# 1 Avenger Class Feedback
11-10-2013, 06:55 PM
Avenger is still a joke, too many disadvantages of an escort and a cruiser, not enough advantages of an escort or cruiser, a half breed ? Aye it is , but not the best combo and no real advantages for the federation cruiser /battlecruiser class ships (or destroyer class is even better than this ship) vs similar klingon classed cruisers, battlecruisers, and of course still no real "Heavy Battlecruiser" class fed ships. Oh, btw and the so called "Dreadnought Class" GAL X, is no where close to a "Dreadnought" by any kinda definition in comparison to any kinda ship, sea ,boat, vessel or in space sci fi or non fiction , in that class.

My Feedback on Avenger? : Simple, It needs a COMMANDER UNIVERSAL Boff station Period!, as well as, perhaps as a c store/fleet variation, a base turn of perhaps 11 or 12 vs its current base of 9. PERIOD!!!(Cant believe I paid money for this crap which looked good on paper but largely not, with no clear advantage really that would make a serious difference, I'm sure you and your testers are aware, and collated and concluded to your current version) but really vs. any other kinda fed cruiser in any class, it's largely useless and not as modular as it seems to be by comparison.

Tho , I believe feedback, forums, for large, greedy corporate gaming companies are LARGELY USELESS and only a Token in reality, I sincerely hope someone that this kinda feedback concerns, takes it to heart for consideration, TY anyway
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# 2
11-10-2013, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ajgamer1701 View Post
Avenger is still a joke, too many disadvantages of an escort and a cruiser, not enough advantages of an escort or cruiser, a half breed ? Aye it is , but not the best combo and no real advantages for the federation cruiser /battlecruiser class ships (or destroyer class is even better than this ship) vs similar klingon classed cruisers, battlecruisers, and of course still no real "Heavy Battlecruiser" class fed ships. Oh, btw and the so called "Dreadnought Class" GAL X, is no where close to a "Dreadnought" by any kinda definition in comparison to any kinda ship, sea ,boat, vessel or in space sci fi or non fiction , in that class.

My Feedback on Avenger? : Simple, It needs a COMMANDER UNIVERSAL Boff station Period!, as well as, perhaps as a c store/fleet variation, a base turn of perhaps 11 or 12 vs its current base of 9. PERIOD!!!(Cant believe I paid money for this crap which looked good on paper but largely not, with no clear advantage really that would make a serious difference, I'm sure you and your testers are aware, and collated and concluded to your current version) but really vs. any other kinda fed cruiser in any class, it's largely useless and not as modular as it seems to be by comparison.

Tho , I believe feedback, forums, for large, greedy corporate gaming companies are LARGELY USELESS and only a Token in reality, I sincerely hope someone that this kinda feedback concerns, takes it to heart for consideration, TY anyway
Realizing your concern, personally I have the Fleet version of this ship and find it will rounded in PVP and the additional sci slot and shield modifier. I'm sure others will concur, it may be your build that needs some fine tuning. I'd suggest you'd reconsider examining the builds area of the forum for this ship's usefulness. I say this strongly as advice, not to disenheart you. You may see the others that have responded to the outpouring of yes's to this ship.
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# 3
11-10-2013, 07:16 PM
and paint it like an relleh awesome original sonic fan character
as it turns out, an intrepid would lose a fight with a connie.
and thats canon.
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# 4
11-10-2013, 09:57 PM
the ship is fine. probably the strongest fed cruiser (one of the strongest fed ships) out there, if it suits you. it is what it says on paper, if you have problems with understanding how stats will translate to gameplay, you should just go and test on tribble before buying anything
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# 5
11-11-2013, 05:32 AM
yep thats it. I would of buy it only if it was bigger and now the turn rate would be acceptable but if it is right now how it is it should be a higher turn rate then a fat big *** cruiser turn rate.

Plus on a note side that i have the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and that is bigger then the Avenger and it has a 15 degges turn rate so how can that small ship be having a low turn rate???

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# 6
11-11-2013, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by uss917019 View Post
Plus on a note side that i have the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and that is bigger then the Avenger and it has a 15 degges turn rate so how can that small ship be having a low turn rate???
Because Cryptic.

Fed HEC, Romulan Ar'Kif, Romulan Mogai are all destroyer size with escort class turn-rate. The Romulan Ha'feh is cruiser size with escort turn-rate. The Avenger is escort sized (same as the Kumari) and it has destroyer turn-rate. Laws of the in-game universe are not constant.
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# 7
11-11-2013, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by uss917019 View Post
yep thats it. I would of buy it only if it was bigger and now the turn rate would be acceptable but if it is right now how it is it should be a higher turn rate then a fat big *** cruiser turn rate.

Plus on a note side that i have the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and that is bigger then the Avenger and it has a 15 degges turn rate so how can that small ship be having a low turn rate???
It has a better turn rate than the majority of cruisers, and that's without taking into consideration the improvements that can be gained from using Fleet Armor with the turn rate bonus, or Fleet/non-fleet RCS consoles.

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# 8
11-11-2013, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
It has a better turn rate than the majority of cruisers, and that's without taking into consideration the improvements that can be gained from using Fleet Armor with the turn rate bonus, or Fleet/non-fleet RCS consoles.
This. I can't go into it right now* but one of my fleet bosses runs a Fleet Avenger and makes it dance like an escort (albeit one of the slower ones), and we had two of us beating on him at once and couldn't even get his shields down.

It's all down to skills and gear.

* I'll post his build after he lifts the gag order on it (he created the build as a proof-of-concept or something for another admin and doesn't want it getting out just yet).
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# 9
11-11-2013, 06:34 AM
Love it, myself. Would love it even more if I could have it with a Galaxy-Class skin :p but still, it's a very nice performer.
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# 10
11-11-2013, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
Because Cryptic.

Fed HEC, Romulan Ar'Kif, Romulan Mogai are all destroyer size with escort class turn-rate. The Romulan Ha'feh is cruiser size with escort turn-rate. The Avenger is escort sized (same as the Kumari) and it has destroyer turn-rate. Laws of the in-game universe are not constant.
You're underselling the scale of the Ar'kif and the Mogai. They're larger than everything in the Fed cruiser stable except the Odyssey.
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