Survivor of Romulus
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About the only thing Ive always liked about the lockboxes is the mirror ships, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it gives the old ship aesthetics a new lease of life, so for those of us who like the Star Cruiser design fedside but cant stand the boff layout get another way.

More importantly though, they give a good means of experimenting with other playstyles at end game without breaking the bank. As we all know, the main ship store ships cost 120,000 dil at T5. I know I for one would never have shelled that out just to try a Carrier.

Heck, the mirror vorcha was a lifesvaaer after I stupidly picked the Qin when I hit lvl 40.

But despite the awesomeness of the mirror Vor'cha, mirror Vo'quv and mirror Qin (shedding the useless 3rd ensign tac), there remains a glaring omission: a Mirror bird of prey. Those of us who forewent the Heghta at level 40 are faced with either purchasing a B'rel or fleet Bird of Prey if we want to try the playstyle.

Although there is a 9 console version of the Hoh-sus available, 200,000 fleet credits is a lot of grind on an experiment..

Here's what I propose: a Mirror Heghta with greater eng focus. 3 Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci. This is still inferior to the fleet level ships, and does not have the 4 Tac consoles of the Hohsus.

What do you say Cryptic? Letting us try new things for less will ony lead to more sales in the long run as we buy more competitive versions of cheap ships with dil/zen/fsm.

Hope you all like the suggestion and would love some feedback, especially on the consoles layout.
Commander
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# 2
11-16-2013, 02:02 PM
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Although there is a 9 console version of the Hoh-sus available, 200,000 fleet credits is a lot of grind on an experiment..


That BoP is better than the Aquarius Escort in everything! It even has more hull and shields! I want one!
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# 3
11-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Mirror ships are 'mirror' by swapping a boff station and sometimes swapping a console. On a ship thats all universal with a 3/3/3 layout, there's nothing to change.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 4
11-16-2013, 02:12 PM
First of all it's not a glaring omission, it has been done on purpose. And this topic has been done to death by now.

The thing is - the BoPs have all universal Boff stations. And every basic version of every BoP has the 3/3/3 console layout. These are the BoP's 'things' sort of speak. There is no reasonable way of making a mirror version out of that, they can't change the Boff layout and they most probably wouldn't want to change the console layout that is designed to be balanced in every regard.

Besides, so many players have already complained about the aditional 4-th engineering console the Fleet B'rel gets. An aditional engineering console is about the most useless thing for a BoP, IMHO.
What we need is a fleet Hegh'ta with 27k hull and 0.9 shield mod. to set a new trend of improved BoPs that can cope with the ongoing powercreep.
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Commander
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# 5
11-16-2013, 03:47 PM
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Besides, so many players have already complained about the aditional 4-th engineering console the Fleet B'rel gets. An additional engineering console is about the most useless thing for a BoP, IMHO.
4 Engie consoles on a BoP?


lets see....

Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullRep] X2
Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullHP]
Plasma Distribution Manifold Mk XII
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We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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# 6
11-16-2013, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dave18193 View Post
About the only thing Ive always liked about the lockboxes is the mirror ships, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it gives the old ship aesthetics a new lease of life, so for those of us who like the Star Cruiser design fedside but cant stand the boff layout get another way.

More importantly though, they give a good means of experimenting with other playstyles at end game without breaking the bank. As we all know, the main ship store ships cost 120,000 dil at T5. I know I for one would never have shelled that out just to try a Carrier.

Heck, the mirror vorcha was a lifesvaaer after I stupidly picked the Qin when I hit lvl 40.

But despite the awesomeness of the mirror Vor'cha, mirror Vo'quv and mirror Qin (shedding the useless 3rd ensign tac), there remains a glaring omission: a Mirror bird of prey. Those of us who forewent the Heghta at level 40 are faced with either purchasing a B'rel or fleet Bird of Prey if we want to try the playstyle.

Although there is a 9 console version of the Hoh-sus available, 200,000 fleet credits is a lot of grind on an experiment..

Here's what I propose: a Mirror Heghta with greater eng focus. 3 Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci. This is still inferior to the fleet level ships, and does not have the 4 Tac consoles of the Hohsus.

What do you say Cryptic? Letting us try new things for less will ony lead to more sales in the long run as we buy more competitive versions of cheap ships with dil/zen/fsm.

Hope you all like the suggestion and would love some feedback, especially on the consoles layout.
Honestly, KBoPs are so fragile at this point that I wouldn't really bother. Thanks to recent shield penetration increases and procs that ignore shields entirely (plus a low shield modifier to start with), they are getting edged out of the current paradigm... add the decreased payload, diminished console and/or boff space, and the loss of a boff Space trait and I'll stick with my Mirror Vorcha and its shiny new Cruiser Commands.

If/when KBoPs get a balance pass, then I'd happily consider revisiting a KBoP, but I wouldn't touch the current ones unless I was both bored and curious about how to spell Respawn. They claim the Romulans got high risk/high reward gameplay, but KBoPs absolutely outpace Warbirds in that aspect... KBoPs either win with an alpha, die with a counter-attack, or one or both captains are doing something horribly wrong.
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# 7
11-17-2013, 03:39 AM
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4 Engie consoles on a BoP?


lets see....

Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullRep] X2
Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullHP]
Plasma Distribution Manifold Mk XII
That's why I put that 'IMHO' part at the end. Because I'm sure there are players that mignt find that usefull, but to me is a waste on console space on a BoP. I just take the term 'hit & run' to the next level when in BoP and don't stay decloaked more than a couple of seconds needed to alpha spike.
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# 8
11-17-2013, 04:14 AM
Aestetically an MU BoP would probably look great but as others have pointed out the general BoP layout makes this very tricky if not impossible.

The only thing I could think of right now to get this working would be a ship that differs to a much greater degree from the PU version to make it worthwile...like a version that has a console layout and power layout like an RSV (4SCI, 3 TAC, 2 ENG) so it's a sci-BoP-scout tingy...
Commander
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# 9
11-17-2013, 04:40 AM
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That's why I put that 'IMHO' part at the end. Because I'm sure there are players that mignt find that usefull, but to me is a waste on console space on a BoP. I just take the term 'hit & run' to the next level when in BoP and don't stay decloaked more than a couple of seconds needed to alpha spike.
With the new "flanking" feature BoP will be even more glass cannon-ish... having the hull heals will at least partly compensate for this
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We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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# 10
11-18-2013, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sunseahl View Post
4 Engie consoles on a BoP?


lets see....

Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullRep] X2
Fleet Elite Nutronium Alloy Mk XII [HullHP]
Plasma Distribution Manifold Mk XII
Or, one could just use the fourth eng console for whatever universal one has lying around, such as:
-Tachyokinetic Converter
-Borg Assimilated Module
-Aceton Assimilator
-Zero-point Energy Conduit
-Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat
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