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# 41
11-25-2013, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jumpingjs View Post
Yeah, love the first design!!!


Just going to leave this here, and leave!


Perhaps Cryptic could contact the author, or maybe be inpsired by it ...

That Insignia-Class is awesome, because it picks up that design idea from the old Enterprise-D Manual book about future designs and modular construction. Bottom left.



While we're at it, I'd also love to see the one in the upper right.

Last edited by captainkeatz; 11-25-2013 at 03:42 AM.
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# 42
11-25-2013, 04:07 AM
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Yeah, some of the design a new enterprise contest runners ups should be included!!!
You mean some more don't you?
The Vet Destroyer is one of the runnerups IIRC.
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# 43
11-25-2013, 06:48 AM
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You mean some more don't you?
The Vet Destroyer is one of the runnerups IIRC.
I can only speak for me, but cryptic seems to have the talent to keep out good looking starfleet ships and choose someugly one instead. lol.


@captainkeatz
I agree the insignia would be nice to have as the upper right ship, too.

To be honest, i miss the oval shaped saucers (the wide ones). I think they should have continued that design along with the streched style of the sovereign. There is place for both design philosophies IMHO.

Why i always found irritating is the tendency to give ships more and more long and streched nacelles.
With the Ambassador - Galaxy - Intrepid (canon ships btw.) we could see a tendency to get smaller and smaller nacelles. But some movie producer decided that long nacelles look better (completely ignoring the history of ships before) and decided that the GCS (enterprise) should be replaced with a totally rediculus streched looking ship.

My point is that STO could be the place where both design philosopies could exist along with each other. New designs should have a alternative saucer shape for instance, as well as some smaller nacelles.
Also the option to have different facing pylons should be mandatory for a new released ship IMO.

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# 44
11-25-2013, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
Hello!

I know devs won't react to this thread, just by reading my name but anyway.

I would like to propose a alternative 2409 Starfleet style, that looks different than the egg shaped saucer and long nacelles, most of Cryptics Starfleet creations have. (Odyssey, Avenger, Regent)
This is not meant as a substitution to the already existing ship models, but a alternative to it.

I don't have much graphic material on my own, so i will use other sources to show what i mean.

Here's a alternative Odyssey (just a bad concept, but you get the point) that shows different ratio and a different shaped saucer.


Yes, some will say "hey it looks like a Galaxy Class"... i know.

Constitution - Ambassador - Galaxy design line should be included in STOs 2409 style too, not just the Excelsior and Sovereign design, in my opinion.
Introducing different shaped saucers and other ship parts would give us players much more space to experiment and Cryptic could sell them via the C-Store.


So i think it would be a nice idea to give us some alternatives for our ships.
Especially since most of cryptics starfleet designs have the tendency to be too much filled with edges and other "cool" things. I think a different design aproach (elegant and more fluid shapes) could be a welcome change.
this ship looks actually better than most of the cryptic ships. i dont like the sources section as long as 20 football fields. the ship you posted here looks actually good and does not have some ugly deflector (like most of the cryptic ships)

i always think like "would this ship fit into a star trek tv series" and most times i see cryptic ships, i say "no". even if its 2409 or whatever. there should be more hardcore star trek fans at cryptic to run their quality control.
What ? Calaway.

Last edited by tebsu; 11-25-2013 at 08:29 AM.
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# 45
11-25-2013, 09:02 AM
I have to say, I'd love to have some alternate designs, especially ones that steer away from the very blocky, militaristic ones we've been getting from more recent ships. *coughavengercough*

That's not to say that all Cryptic designs are oh so horrible, because the Venture skin for the Galaxy is probably one of my favorite ship designs in-game. It really gives me the feeling of super high-tech smooth designs that I've always thought of for "future Star Trek". As well as fixing the painfully thin neck vs. huge saucer that always did bug me about the otherwise awesome Galaxy design.

To be honest, its almost like some of these ships would fit better in Star Wars rather than Star Trek with their "bare machined metal" aesthetics.

Also, that JJ-Trek Excelsior looks bloody brilliant.
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# 46
11-25-2013, 09:23 AM
I am pretty much all onboard with the general thoughts of this thread. As ive put it...Cryptic seems to be making all of the starships more like hotrods instead of "streamlined" and majestic.

They like to cut holes into ships for whatever reason, they add pointy bits (which are fine, though without an option for smoother hulls). Things seem to be jagged, rugged, ect and in my own (small) opinion this detracts from the feel of the ships.

I feel they should be moving fed ships more back to a streamline look, much like the new Odyssey. Klingons ships as well had a great feel when they had less cables and holes in the wings such as the D-7. And as much as I like the ship artists, think they are great guys, they have to get rid of this split head weirdness on the Romulan ships, and think less hotrod and obvious bird reference and more functional-beautiful ship.

my 2 cents
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# 47
11-26-2013, 08:20 AM
Personally i don't really like the design of the Odyssey either.

But ... and that's a big BUT ... Cryptic already said they choose this, because most of the ships entered (the really gorgeous looking ones) where mostly concepts of different artist, simply brought into the competition, because a fan liked it. There would have been to much legal trouble if one of those would have been choosen. So a vague concept of a fan was choosen, an original creation, the rights of which belonged to the fan and were probably given to cryptic.
The artists here have to be really carful when creating something new for commercial use.

As for the Avenger. Personally i only find the side view to be fugly andthe back view plain okay. It's what i would expect a Federation battlecruiser to look like. Clunky as hell. Basically a rushed built that only exists because there was dire need for it.

Another thing to keep in mind is the need to keep multiple related starhip lines modular. A streamlined look would be way harder to realize. (see the Regent class neck for that). If that wouldn't be the case you couldn't mix and match the parts anymore. Youd basically just end up with lockbox-like ships where the only things you could do are, choose a hull texture and different decals. I'd rather not loose that freedom.

I would really like to see a Enterprise J type of ship, maybe made possible by the dyson sphere technology.
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# 48
11-26-2013, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by freenos85 View Post
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As for the Avenger. Personally i only find the side view to be fugly andthe back view plain okay. It's what i would expect a Federation battlecruiser to look like. Clunky as hell. Basically a rushed built that only exists because there was dire need for it.
I'm sorry but that explaination sounds like a cheap excuse to justify a ugly looking ship to me (pls, don't take that personal).
Cryptics Designers just lack the "feel" to make good looking Starfleet ships IMO.
On each one of their designs there is at least one element that looks out of place.
(like the avengers neck and saucer, the odysseys backwards facing pylons and so on)
Maybe Mr. Rivera (Lead of everything in STO) thinks that this is needed to make a ship look "cool", but for me it just ruins everything.

I don't see a reason why they couldn't create a additional wide saucer for the Avenger amongst other things for that ship.




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Another thing to keep in mind is the need to keep multiple related starhip lines modular. A streamlined look would be way harder to realize. (see the Regent class neck for that). If that wouldn't be the case you couldn't mix and match the parts anymore. Youd basically just end up with lockbox-like ships where the only things you could do are, choose a hull texture and different decals. I'd rather not loose that freedom.
Again i don't see a big hinderance there. Just look at the various starcruiser ship models, they blend good enough into each other.
Especially the various types of pylons is what i would like to have on other ships too.

On the other hand i really HATE the Noble and Majestic pylons (assault cruiser). I mean what did the "artist" think when placing holes into them? It looks just weird and totally out of place on a Starfleet ship.
Those ships would look way better if its creator would have kept them more smooth looking instead of making them look so blocky and just weird (sorry i couldn't find a better word for it).

As for the Regent neck, the biggest problem i have with it is that the various saucers don't "sit" on the right place. They should have been placed more to the front IMHO.

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Originally Posted by freenos85 View Post
I would really like to see a Enterprise J type of ship, maybe made possible by the dyson sphere technology.
What i like about that ship is the integration of the deflector into the wide hull. I think that's something they could have made at one of the star Cruisers (or better one of the assault cruisers) too.

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# 49
11-27-2013, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by freenos85 View Post
Another thing to keep in mind is the need to keep multiple related starhip lines modular. A streamlined look would be way harder to realize. (see the Regent class neck for that). If that wouldn't be the case you couldn't mix and match the parts anymore. Youd basically just end up with lockbox-like ships where the only things you could do are, choose a hull texture and different decals. I'd rather not loose that freedom.
They haven't done any impressively modular ships in a long time. The way we could customize our T1 Miranda was what drew me into the game initially. That, the T3 Cruiser tree and a few others gave the opportunity for really interesting ships. On the other hand, I cannot tell the Vestas from each other or from a hybrid.
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# 50
11-29-2013, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by freenos85 View Post
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Another thing to keep in mind is the need to keep multiple related starhip lines modular. A streamlined look would be way harder to realize. (see the Regent class neck for that). If that wouldn't be the case you couldn't mix and match the parts anymore. Youd basically just end up with lockbox-like ships where the only things you could do are, choose a hull texture and different decals. I'd rather not loose that freedom.
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I don't see a big problem in making shipparts for especially streamline ships. The creator of those ship parts just has to pay aattention to the connections between the ship part (like saucer - neck).

The problem you are refering to (regent neck) only comes from the fact that they didn't made the regent ship parts intersect with the other assault cruiser ship parts. They just made the Regent without caring about the already existing ship models. That's not because of the Regent parts a more streamlined but because the designer obviously didn't had the time or mood to make a better product.



Speaking about the Assault Cruiser, i would really wish they would just add Noble and Majestic pylons but without the holes and edges. I find those ship parts highly annyoing and ugly. Additionally, i would really appreciate if some devs would set the saucers (noble, sovereign, imerial and majestic) more to the front when using the regent neck.
I know these a just small things, but they are really annoying when trying to create a good looking ship.



There is another thing i wish the devs would finally add. Some slider that lets us change the wideness of the pylons (and nacelles) a bit. Sometimes the availlable pylons are just a bit too wide (or narrow) for a certain configuration. I wish we could have some control there.

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