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# 11
12-29-2013, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmercer View Post
Data storage these days costs next to nothing. ...and besides that's what I'm paying for.
But real time access to data storage is problematic... unless your accessing it from system RAM...
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# 12
12-29-2013, 10:50 PM
edit: sorry didnt read the post well

You have 38 lobi/award/fleet ships on one character? Seriously? I dont believe you. Show us with the picture


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# 13
12-30-2013, 11:51 AM
Sorry, I should have said in my subsequent post that I got rid of my Zen ships that were junk, there are a couple I still fly for fleet special events (like TOS or TNG theme nights) or are pending an upgrade to Fleet version...and yes, I have a lot of special shuttles but then my fleet also started Shuttle Wars and we still do that every now and then and I like to mix it up. A full roster of ships takes multiple screen shots, I might bother with that later but I have nothing to prove, I know what I have and all these ships serve a purpose for me. That said and for your satisfaction, below is the list of ships I have on my main character.

The point remains that I have good ships I want to keep and an increased dry dock would allow me to keep building. If I'm willing to pay for the slots, I should be able to do so and that's all I'm asking for here...after all this is a forum for feedback. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there collecting ships.

As to the point of server resources for shipyard slots, having people create additional characters (and all the database references that come with that) to get around it is much more resource intense than allowing for additional ship slots. It also isn't like the shipyard gets accessed every time you warp/beam in somewhere...so the overhead should be really low in the scheme of things (I'm not arguing that there is no overhead, only that it is negligible and they are compensated for it). I do have other characters that I have been pushing other ships to, (for example, I put the mirror ships on my characters of the relative class). I also have KDF and ROM characters collecting faction specific ships. That said, they are just alts, it's my main character I like to play and really work on.

I should also note that not all c-store ships can be re-obtained without a repeat zen expenditure. This may just be a bug but it happens often and therefore, how much can you really trust dropping paid for ships? Example, I have already purchased the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit but when dropping it I have to pay the Zen all over again. Same happened to me with the Exeter ship. There were others but they seem to come and go with different patch releases.

My main Ships-of-the-line
Cardassian Galor Class Cruiser (Lock Box)
Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Lock Box)
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship (x-mas 2011/my main polaron dps)
Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (Lock Box)
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (Lobi)
Breen Chel Grett Warship (x-mas 2012)
Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider (x-mas 2013)
Risian Corvette (Summer 2013)
Tholian Orb Weaver (Lock Box)
Obelisk Carrier (Feature Episode)
Kumari Andorian Escort (Zen/my main phaser dps ship)
Mirror Assault Cruiser (Lock Box)
Mirror Star Cruiser (Lock Box)
Dreadnought Cruiser (Zen/just too fun to drop)
Chimera Heavy Destroyer (soon to be Fleet)
Fleet Advanced Escort, Prometheus (Fleet/Zen/my main plasma dps)
Oydssey TAC Cruiser, Defiant (Zen/my main tank)
Fleet Long Rance Science, Voyager (Fleet/Zen)
NX Light Escort, Ent-NX (Zen/theme nights)
Cruiser Refit, Ent-A (Zen/theme nights)
Fleet Tac Escort (Fleet/Zen/my main anitproton dps)
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-D (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Oberth Light Science (Zen/theme nights)
Advanced Research, Nebula (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Catian Atrox Carrier (soon to be Fleet)
D'Kyr Science (Zen/theme nights)
TOS Light Cruiser, Ent (Zen/theme nights)
Support Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-C (Featured Episode)
Fleet Adv. Heavy Cruiser, Ent-B (Fleet/Zen)
My main Shuttles/Small Ships
Tuffli Class Freighter (Reinforcement Pack)
Tholian Widow Fighter (Lobi)
Type-10 (DS9 Bundle)
Class F (TOS Bundle/theme nights)
Delta (Zen)
Captain's Yacht (Vet Reward)
Tal'Kyr (Zen/D'Kyr bundle)
Peregrine (Zen)
Ferengi Na'Far (Lobi)

Last edited by ironmercer; 12-30-2013 at 02:41 PM.
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# 14
12-30-2013, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by grouchyotaku View Post
But real time access to data storage is problematic... unless your accessing it from system RAM...
Except that the only place where you access them all is at the ship selector on a ground map. At that point, changing the active ship and the equipment on them is simply a matter of changing the code values (sorry I don't remember the correct terminology, it has been over ten years since I last worked with Visual Basic). In that regard, it is much like using a game shark for a PS one, or the giveitem/givefeat command from Neverwinter Nights 2. It don't see that as being very much different that rearranging one's inventory.

We can't even change the hull configurations of our inactive ships without first going to the ship selector to make it the active ship. And that is a real pain going back and forth to modify the ships in our inactive inventory.

To the OP's point I do think the upper limit needs to be increased. Since we can now have both an active shuttle and an active capital ship, maybe it is time to have separate lists and limits for shuttles and ships.
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# 15
12-30-2013, 04:02 PM
Three of your ships you could retire and just break out from the c-store when the theme night comes up again.
NX Enterprise
TOS Enterprise
Oberth
Are all unlocks. You can remove your upgrades and dismiss them and just claim them again when needed. Technically the Atrox as well. Untill you get the fleet version that is.
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# 16
01-06-2014, 12:37 PM
Too much storage?

Nah, a few bytes.

ship type, 1 byte

cosmetic physical - 2 bytes should cover all the combinations of hull, wings, etc IF that, and only need 2 because some ships have like 4 variations, so the combinations add up.

cosmetic, color scheme -- 2 bytes tops

the rest is gear, which is probably a lookup table. At a glance 16 bits may be enough, 65k items total in the game? If not, 32.

Total to store a ship, then, could be as low as say 64 bytes (allowing several more fields (gotta store the name, and probably a few other things). If it saves the BO and hotbar settings too, maybe 100 bytes or so.

To put in in perspective, I could probably store the ships for every player in the game on my decade+ old thumb drive which has 128 MB of space, and that is uncompressed. Compressed, its probably 1/10th of that.
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# 17
01-06-2014, 12:46 PM
Only 38?!? I have more ship slots than that, and I never bought a single one. Hell, I almost have 38 characters.


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# 18
01-06-2014, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmercer View Post
My main Ships-of-the-line
1 Cardassian Galor Class Cruiser (Lock Box)
2 Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Lock Box)
3 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship (x-mas 2011/my main polaron dps)
4 Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (Lock Box)
5 Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (Lobi)
6 Breen Chel Grett Warship (x-mas 2012)
7 Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider (x-mas 2013)
8 Risian Corvette (Summer 2013)
9 Tholian Orb Weaver (Lock Box)
10 Obelisk Carrier (Feature Episode)
11 Mirror Assault Cruiser (Lock Box)
12 Mirror Star Cruiser (Lock Box)
13 Fleet Advanced Escort, Prometheus (Fleet/Zen/my main plasma dps)
14 Fleet Long Rance Science, Voyager (Fleet/Zen)
15 Fleet Tac Escort (Fleet/Zen/my main anitproton dps)
16 Support Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-C (Featured Episode)
17 Fleet Adv. Heavy Cruiser, Ent-B (Fleet/Zen)

Chimera Heavy Destroyer (soon to be Fleet)
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-D (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Advanced Research, Nebula (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Catian Atrox Carrier (soon to be Fleet)
Kumari Andorian Escort (Zen/my main phaser dps ship)
Dreadnought Cruiser (Zen/just too fun to drop)
Oydssey TAC Cruiser, Defiant (Zen/my main tank)
NX Light Escort, Ent-NX (Zen/theme nights)
Cruiser Refit, Ent-A (Zen/theme nights)
Oberth Light Science (Zen/theme nights)
D'Kyr Science (Zen/theme nights)
TOS Light Cruiser, Ent (Zen/theme nights)

My main Shuttles/Small Ships
18 Tuffli Class Freighter (Reinforcement Pack)
19 Tholian Widow Fighter (Lobi)
20 Ferengi Na'Far (Lobi)
Type-10 (DS9 Bundle)
Class F (TOS Bundle/theme nights)
Delta (Zen)
Captain's Yacht (Vet Reward)
Tal'Kyr (Zen/D'Kyr bundle)
Peregrine (Zen)
Reordered your list some, so that I could illustrate a count of the "completely irreplacable" ships...

20 ships that can't be reclaimed out of 38. 4 more that plans call to be made irreplacable. Still, not a complete "lockout" of your ship list...

Question 1: What kind of gear do you have on your 5 "theme night" ships? Bank-bait? Something that can be pulled off of a "main" ship for the night in question?

Question 2: How often do you do those "theme nights"? Tying 5 ship slots for ships that won't see the light of day but once a month or so might not be the swiftest move in the batch...
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...
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# 19
01-15-2014, 11:34 AM
I have the same issue, all 38 of my ships are either lockbox or fleet variants with the exception of two that I will get soon from the spire. So.....yes we need more slots! I brought this up a couple months back actually.
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# 20
01-15-2014, 12:28 PM

Update: Season 8.5 Equipping ships also gets easier with the new ?easy equip? feature coming in the update. In addition, we?re going to be increasing the current ship slot limit. You?re going to love it!


The limit for storing ships is purely a programming choice, not a limit enforced by memory etc.

(Just thinking - how does 30+ ships display ingame? Is there a limit to the number of database calls that can be displayed in that interface? Would the additional calls impact performance? Operational costs?)

The cost to Cryptic isn't minor; change to the code of this type (especially something that will impact every player) will require significant testing as it 'could' impact users negatively. Lets say the change inadvertently reduces the number of ships.... you get the idea. And you can't roll back something that significant without downtime... more money lost.

The real question is what percentage of players will this ultimately affect. If the cost of the change only helps less than 1% of users, would that time be better spent on another issue that could generate more money or reduce other more significant issues which impact a larger percentage of players?

Welcome to the world of incremental software development, where planning never seems to consider all possibilities.

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