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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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As part of a prospective long-term cosplay project, I'm looking into getting some custom combadges and rank pips made - the designs will be more or less an attempt at replicating the 25th Century Starfleet designs seen in Star Trek Online.

As such, I would like to post my continued progress + photos, to obtain as much feedback as possible regarding accuracy etc.


Disclaimer

It is my understanding is that making / reverse-engineering replica props is a controversial topic, particularly with major franchises where attempting to sell significant numbers privately-made items could land me in legal hot water with CBS and Cryptic Studios. As such, the items I make will mainly only be available to myself and a very small selection of real-life friends - I won't be selling limited runs via the RPF, eBay or anything of the sort.

The other point I would like to make clear is that I will be doing my designs from scratch - i.e. I won't simply recast something that another, more talented artisan made with their sweat, blood and tears.


25th Century Starfleet Combadges

http://sumghai.deviantart.com/art/25...s-v2-426116525

Essentially my attempt at replicating the design of the badge included in the Collector's Edition of STO, each measuring 6.35 x 4.23 cm, and ~5 mm thick. The inner delta is ever-so-slightly inset into the face of the badge itself.

The plain badge is a template from which the three variants - CMD/TAC/SEC, ENG/OPS and SCI/MED - are derived, and will not be actually produced.

At the back of each badge will be a recess containing neodymium magnet discs, that will attach to a corresponding magnet insert inside the uniform jacket.


25th Century Starfleet Rank Pips

http://sumghai.deviantart.com/art/25...s-v2-426121321

More or less based on the pips available from the in-game tailor. The commissioned officer pips are 1.27 cm high and just under ~4 mm thick, small enough to be comparable to the TNG rank pips, but still large enough to be handled easily and roughly to scale with the actual in-game designs.

Like the combadges, the rank pips will be afixed to the uniform jacket via pairs of neodymium magnets, with one set of magnets glued into the holder strip that goes under the jacket fabric.

Needless to say, each rank pip set will consist of the backing holder, four gold pips and one black pip, so that folks can mix assemble their own appropriate rank as needed.

Also, the Fleet Admiral rank "pip" is only shown as a limiting-case scenario, to help me determine how tall and wide that colored strip on the right chest of the Sierra 1 Uniform will need to be (when I get around to sewing the actual jacket).


Materials / Fabrication

The badges and pips will be made via metal cold-casting - essentially, a mixture of urethane resin mixed thorough with fine metal powder. This reduces the weight and cost of producing the items, compared to actually commissioning foundry to melt and cast real solid metal items.

A cursory glance suggests that brass metal powder would be the way to go - ideally, I'd like a slightly subdued and worn look rather than shiny reflective gold depicted in-game.

I've had some experience working with casting urethanes and silicones from my current job, and the only major pieces of equipment I would need are a vacuum pump and a desiccator jar.

To translate my designs from CAD to the final props, I will first have a master mold CNC milled from RenShape 460 polyurethane prototyping board. The master mold is then used to make limited-use silicone rubber "daughter" molds from which the final resin items will be cast. I will only need one set of master molds (okay, maybe two - one for backup), while the silicone rubber ones can be periodically replaced when they inevitably wear out.


So yeah, that's what I've got planned for far - at the moment, I'm seeking feedback regarding design accuracy / dimensions / scale etc, so thoughts and critiques would be greatly appreciated

Joint Dev/Community discussion on customizable and gameplay-relevant ship interiors:
Proposal Document // Feedback Thread
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
01-10-2014, 09:38 PM
Maybe make one where you clip the side off some and shave down the back to an angle, so it looks like its clipping into your chest?
Captain
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# 3
01-10-2014, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
Maybe make one where you clip the side off some and shave down the back to an angle, so it looks like its clipping into your chest?
My sarcasm meter is not working properly today.

Is this an honest suggestion, or simply a jab at Cryptic for a minor visual glitch in-game?

Joint Dev/Community discussion on customizable and gameplay-relevant ship interiors:
Proposal Document // Feedback Thread
Captain
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# 4
01-10-2014, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sumghai View Post
My sarcasm meter is not working properly today.

Is this an honest suggestion, or simply a jab at Cryptic for a minor visual glitch in-game?
Eh kinda both. Sorry I should have appended a to the end.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 5
01-11-2014, 05:22 AM
They look outstanding It's a shame you're not planning to sell them, as I'd definitely be down for a Command track commbadge to got with my collection (TNG and Voyager Lincoln Enterprises originals)
Captain
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# 6
01-11-2014, 09:13 AM
They look really nice.
Does the Oddy uniform have it's own badge or does it use the Sierra ones?

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Lt. Commander
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# 7
01-11-2014, 12:52 PM
Your manufacturing plan sounds like it'll work well. Good luck!
Captain
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# 8
01-11-2014, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marcusdkane View Post
They look outstanding It's a shame you're not planning to sell them, as I'd definitely be down for a Command track commbadge to got with my collection (TNG and Voyager Lincoln Enterprises originals)
Personally, I would have liked to sell some limited runs.

Legal issues aside, I'm not sure if I want to devote much of my time filling orders - I've heard many horror stories on the RPF, ranging from recasters to vendors who can no longer keep up with the demand due to IRL issues and so end up "disappearing".

Nothing is set in stone, of course, but my initial intention to get into propmaking is not to start a business, but to just enjoy crafting.

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Originally Posted by artan42 View Post
Does the Oddy uniform have it's own badge or does it use the Sierra ones?
I suspect they do use the Sierra ones.

Joint Dev/Community discussion on customizable and gameplay-relevant ship interiors:
Proposal Document // Feedback Thread
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 9
01-12-2014, 12:38 AM
What...no badges with a cat face in them? :O The caitians will be hurt.

http://rlv.zcache.com/youve_cat_to_b..._8byvr_512.jpg

lol, good work on them.

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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 10
01-12-2014, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sumghai View Post
Personally, I would have liked to sell some limited runs.

Legal issues aside, I'm not sure if I want to devote much of my time filling orders - I've heard many horror stories on the RPF, ranging from recasters to vendors who can no longer keep up with the demand due to IRL issues and so end up "disappearing".

Nothing is set in stone, of course, but my initial intention to get into propmaking is not to start a business, but to just enjoy crafting.
That's understandable, I've seen similar instances where group buys have gone south, and indeed, even forum recommended sellers who start well, but get swamped by demand and then just vanish, which is always a shame. If you can find a reliable manufacturer who can produce the run you want, you'll be fine Equally, and just something to consider, is if a manufacturer requires a run of a certain amount, even for a one off run, I bet there would be a few folks here who would be interested in a set
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