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# 51
03-13-2014, 11:32 AM
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Having ablative armor is not the same as being able to 'deploy ablative armor' like Voyager did. Therefore, the claim that the Defiant could use the Intrepid's Ablative armor console is incorrect.

It's really more an expression of the ship using armor engineering consoles.
What sets armor generator apart from hull plating is it regenerates instantly while taking damage. It's as powerful as its power supply. It's not much when fitted to a shuttle. Defiant's small 2 1/2 deck tall core, with most of its power hard routed into engines, is unlikely to match Intrepid's dual cores.
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# 52
08-01-2014, 02:29 AM
The Defiant needs a serious revamp. All the later escorts completly outperform it: hirogen escort, xindi escort, tempest patrol escort...bug ship....undine nicor... this is sad

Itz nothing but a glass cannon compared to all the newer ships. Give it a bit higher shield modifier and integrate the cloak to the ship would be a start. Or give it more hull. 5 fore weapons? Seems to be the new standard wtf.

On top of it all I think the devs need to show the classic ships from the TV show more love and stop pushing out new ships that don't feel like Trek at all, outperform all older, just for the quick $.

<3 Defiant

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# 53
08-01-2014, 03:08 AM
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The defiant is fine as is, IMHO. Granted I would much prefer its 3rd tac ensign be made universal so I can stop ignoring it and actually get some use out of it, but it works for me. She is all guns and speed, if she does somehow manage to get damaged badly enough, she RUNS AWAY, then comes back guns a blazin!!!!!!

Up front disclaimer: it has been a while since I have watched voyager, but how are some people getting the opinion that the intrepid was tactically focused? Sure it is nimble and light on its feet, but how does that make it tactically focused? Compare the intrepid with an actual tactical ship like the prometheus or the defiant. The intrepids simply do not pack the same level of firepower.

I think that asking for the intrepid to get a fourth tactical console is like asking the defiant to get 40,000 hull points. These ships were not meant for that, not even on screen.

Seriously, if you want a tactical science ship get the recon vesta (I did) or the fleet RSV.
During the episode where Kim and I believe B'leanna were kidnapped by the Computer Clown. Kims neighbor bangs on the wall while hes playing his instruement. When Kim asks why they didnt design the quarters better Tom Paris mentions that the Intrepid was designed for tactical purposes not quality of life.
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# 54
08-01-2014, 03:10 AM
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The Defiant needs a serious revamp. All the later escorts completly outperform it: hirogen escort, xindi escort, tempest patrol escort...bug ship....undine nicor... this is sad

Itz nothing but a glass cannon compared to all the newer ships. Give it a bit higher shield modifier and integrate the cloak to the ship would be a start. Or give it more hull. 5 fore weapons? Seems to be the new standard wtf.

On top of it all I think the devs need to show the classic ships from the TV show more love and stop pushing out new ships that don't feel like Trek at all, outperform all older, just for the quick $.

<3 Defiant
These are all lockbox ships. Those are supposed to be better, plain and simple, so people will invest money. I recently read that Geko (lead dev) even said in an itnerview that this is how it's supposed to be. Which is refreshingly honest.

In the regular line-up, the Defiant holds up because you can slot lots of tac consoles and tac boffs and this is where you shine in this game.

I would however like to see a revamp as well, concerning all three Hero ships. And no, the Galaxy did not get one.

All the current fleet retrofits should be removed from the game as it happened with the patrol escort. Then new Fleet-Refits should be introduced, based off the T4-Refits rather than the Retrofits. They should feature a at least semi-universal BOFF seating and console layout so you could recreate either the refit or the retrofit's setup (Meaning all three ships get a LTC and a ENS slot that can be switched to the retrofit setup (ENG for Gal, Tac for Defiant and Sci for Intrepid) OR the refit setup (Sci for Gal, Eng for Defiant and Intrepid)) as well as one Console slot that can either be fitted with a retrofit console (Eng, Tac and Sci respecitvely) or a refit console (Sci or Eng). This could be tied to a purchase of the T4 refit.

This way, the ships get more versatile and you don't lose the T4 purchase in endgame content.
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# 55
08-01-2014, 03:17 AM
I wouldnt be bothered by seeing Science ships like the Intrepid getting 4 Weapons Fore/3 Weapons Aft to improve their Damage Output.

The Defiant...My only problem with it is the lack of a Shield modifier on the Fleet version. Beyond that Im currently flying a Sao Paulo and regularly tear through content. Not sure how boosting it would be anything but overkill.
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# 56
08-01-2014, 03:26 AM
Both ships are fine as is. Especially the Defiant and it's ilk. It's still a pint-sized bundle of malice and hate in the game.
It's not "J.J. Trek". It's "Star Trek". Get it right, fanbois.

The so-called "Abramsverse" is part of Star Trek lore now, like it or not.

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# 57
08-01-2014, 03:30 AM
Make the 3rd ens on defiant uni, give it the +10% shield mod EVERY other fleet ship has. 2 small tweaks that barely up performance but make the ship much more par for the course vs all other escorts. Just adds a little versatility without doing much to change its combat power. Would increase some sales for the ship and give a lot of us the excuse to pull ours out of storage.

The intrepid doesnt need a 4th tac slot. But its boff config could use a lil work, the intrepid was a tough fast ship, but in no way tanky like a cruiser. Changing its ens sci to uni would help, as well as maybe increase its flight speed mod a tad, and bump base turnrate by 1 giving it that speedy maneuverable feeling that voyager gave off.


(Below is my own personal opinion not a suggested revise of the ships)

Intrepid with LT tac, ens uni (used as tac), with LT eng, LTC sci, CMD sci would just about perfectly fit the onscreen voyager.

Id say a defiant with with 4 eng, 1 sci, 5 tac consoles would represent the onscreen defiant much better. It didn't gain its toughness so much from things like Eng abilities but from its armors resistances. The Defiant did little in the way of exploring, and was purposely built to fight means it would be very light in sci department.

And as for a Revamp, yes I want one if its like the Galaxy-X Reboot. Ill pass if its like the supposed Reboot the Galaxy-R got.

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# 58
08-01-2014, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
The Fleet Defiant needs that extra tactical ensign turned into a second Lt. Commander Tactical. And the Commander seat turned Universal. And a 5th forward weapon slot. 5 fore, 3 aft. Maybe a shield and hull boost too. And a universal console that mimics the Vesta's tactical boom stick.

To get the kind of treatment it DESERVES.

Until then, this thread and this entire BEEF needs continued support. Possibly even across other threads.

I mean they rebooted the galaxy. Now it's time to reboot the ship that needs it most. The Fleet Defiant.

I agree, partly.
The defiant needs the uni. Lt. Cmdr. in order to reflect the "real" ship from trek.
I'm not so certain about the 5/2 weapon layout, i'd abstain from that. Other ppl have much better knowledge of STO mechanics to deliver a good judgement.

About the intrepid, i wouldn't change it's console layout TBH.
But i would turn it's Lt. Cmdr. station into universal, just to make the ship more like it's supposed to be. (again only trekkie speaking here)



@snoggymack22
Are you serious about the Galaxy -R?
What reboot are you talking about?
There wasn't any change at all. They just put it into the 3-Pack bundle, keeping it the same old stinker as is was before...
(it's already a insult to give the Intrepid 3 tac consoles, while the G-R only has 2...)



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I would however like to see a revamp as well, concerning all three Hero ships. And no, the Galaxy did not get one.

All the current fleet retrofits should be removed from the game as it happened with the patrol escort. Then new Fleet-Refits should be introduced, based off the T4-Refits rather than the Retrofits. They should feature a at least semi-universal BOFF seating and console layout so you could recreate either the refit or the retrofit's setup (Meaning all three ships get a LTC and a ENS slot that can be switched to the retrofit setup (ENG for Gal, Tac for Defiant and Sci for Intrepid) OR the refit setup (Sci for Gal, Eng for Defiant and Intrepid)) as well as one Console slot that can either be fitted with a retrofit console (Eng, Tac and Sci respecitvely) or a refit console (Sci or Eng). This could be tied to a purchase of the T4 refit.

This way, the ships get more versatile and you don't lose the T4 purchase in endgame content.
I'm all for this.
*thumbs up*

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# 59
08-01-2014, 05:11 AM
This seems to be one of threads thats gonna be closed.

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# 60
08-01-2014, 05:20 AM
I don't feel that the Fleet Defiant requires attention; it's still more than viable and whilst there are a few escorts that can, basically, kill things marginially quicker, I don't think that's a good enough reason in itself.

Fleet Intrepid however.... I think the biggest problem with this ship is that it has very much fallen into a 'second fiddle' position since the Vesta became availabe. Let's face it, there is pretty much nothing that the Fleet Intrepid can do that the Vesta can't do better. Therefore, beyond aesthetics, there isn't that much motivation to buy it.
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