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# 51
03-28-2014, 05:11 PM
Well the rep change will help in at least on case: The Nukara T4 ability that gives offensive skill boosts based on aux power. It will be changing to a damage boost, and they say the increase in damage will be greater than what the skill boost was giving.

Since torp boats tend to run max aux, you would be crazy not to slot that one.

If it is really good though, don't say anything! The devs wouldn't want the KDF to benefit from their changes.
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# 52
03-28-2014, 06:11 PM
B'rel retro could use a unique console that has a set bonus with the Brotlh bop console.
The T'varo gets both EBC and a console for the same price so the B'rel needs one to or its not worth it in comparison anymore. I would like the 4th eng console to be swapped for a 4th tac console on the fleet B'rel also, but I am not sure the Devs would be ok with 2 BOP having same exact console layouts, which the Fleet Hohsus already has.
Maybe the Fleet Hohsus should also get some kind of buff to differentiate it from a 4 tac console B'rel.
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# 53
03-28-2014, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post
The Fleet B'Rel's ENG console instead of TAC or SCI has been questioned since it was first seen. Makes no sense whatsoever.

KDF BOPs in general are underpowered in PVP. Pretty much every TAC oriented build possible is surpassed by the Rom Warbirds since they all have Battle Cloaks, all the bells and whistles, and no design sacrifices. They're elusive, offensively strong, maneuverable, fast, and, unlike the KDF BOPs, have hull & shield mods equal to the best out there. All while KDF BOPs are locked with the old compromises.

If you're going to fly a KDF BOP in PVP... good luck. Speed and maneuverability are your only tickets. You have the worst shield and hull mods in the game (Warbirds sacrifice nothing). Unless flying the Fleet Norgh, you're flying with only 11 BOFF skills instead of 12. Even then, the Fleet Norgh is stuck at 9 consoles for "balance" (I laugh in the face of this when you look at Warbird statistics).

Anyways, if flying the BOP in PVP, realize that you're flying with Eggshells as shields and armor. Your speed, turn, and battle cloak are your only saving graces, but there are ships that are:
* Faster than you (the MANY Bugships out there, and the rare Risian Corvettes are the fastest ships).
* Have Battle Cloaks that require half the time to reactivate than you (Rom Battle Cloaks can be reapplied in as little as 9 seconds)
* Have better staying power than you, while having the same combat capability of the KDF BOP.

Good luck, and Godspeed!
1. Klingon BoP ALL have battle cloak as well. You can do the same thing.

2. B'rel Reto fit can fire while cloaked and REMAIN CLOAKED. Least firing torps. It's why it doesn't have a console. It's built in.


Seriously guys I don't know where some of you are getting your info from. B'rel is one of the best torp boats around because you can remain cloaked and unload torp after torp and nobody see's ya comin. And you can also drop mines as well without decloaking.

I fail to see the issue here.
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# 54
03-28-2014, 08:16 PM
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2. B'rel Reto fit can fire while cloaked and REMAIN CLOAKED. Least firing torps. It's why it doesn't have a console. It's built in.
Question: (Not that I actually care, it is what it is and I'm used to it) If this is the reason why the B'rel doesn't have a special console - what would you say about the T'Varo then? It has the exact same abilities, but it also comes with a special console and even a 2-piece set if you own the T1 T'Varo.

Not to mention the lol STO moment of 2013 (well, besides Geko's dinosaurs) - Fleet B'rel needs T5 Fleet Shipyard to be produced, while Fleet T'Varo only requires T1 Fleet Shipyard.
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# 55
03-28-2014, 08:46 PM
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Question: (Not that I actually care, it is what it is and I'm used to it) If this is the reason why the B'rel doesn't have a special console - what would you say about the T'Varo then? It has the exact same abilities, but it also comes with a special console and even a 2-piece set if you own the T1 T'Varo.

Not to mention the lol STO moment of 2013 (well, besides Geko's dinosaurs) - Fleet B'rel needs T5 Fleet Shipyard to be produced, while Fleet T'Varo only requires T1 Fleet Shipyard.
IIRC, and I could be wrong, the t'varo needs said console to do the same thing the b'rel does for free. But the console set, well that's beyond me.
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# 56
03-28-2014, 11:00 PM
Nope T'varo gets EBC for free, just like the B'rel, along with better console layout, gimmick console, possible set bonus, and singularity powers. All at the cost of slightly lower energy levels, that if you run a torpedo boat, are meaningless anyways.

There is no mechanical reason to run a B'rel retro over the T'varo retro.

Oh and in this game as it is today, "best torpedo boat" is like calling somebody the greatest loser.
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# 57
03-29-2014, 08:39 AM
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Oh and in this game as it is today, "best torpedo boat" is like calling somebody the greatest loser.
2012 is dead and gone.
I fly a Fleet B'rel Retrofit (Transphasic torpedo boat) and I have absolutely no issues with it when it comes to damage or surviving so I don't know what you are talking about. Thats not to say the T'varo isn't OP compared to the B'rel but it definitely isn't as bad as you say

Edit: Somehow I was quoting someone else

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# 58
03-29-2014, 09:14 AM
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Nope T'varo gets EBC for free, just like the B'rel, along with better console layout, gimmick console, possible set bonus, and singularity powers. All at the cost of slightly lower energy levels, that if you run a torpedo boat, are meaningless anyways.

There is no mechanical reason to run a B'rel retro over the T'varo retro.

Oh and in this game as it is today, "best torpedo boat" is like calling somebody the greatest loser.
2012 is dead and gone.
I'll take your word for it. Again I've never messed with the T'Varo refit so I don't know. I do know that I'll be picking up a b'rel refit soon cause of this MU event.

I guess PWE never watched the video about power creep.
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# 59
03-29-2014, 10:44 AM
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IIRC, and I could be wrong, the t'varo needs said console to do the same thing the b'rel does for free. But the console set, well that's beyond me.
I have both the B'rel and T'Varo and I have both T'Varos (T1 & T5).
The T'Varo has the 'enhanced batle cloak' built in just like the B'rel. The special console on the T5 T'Varo is the 'plasma destabilizer' or the "big red ball of TOS doom" as I call it. The T1 T'Varo has a special console that instantly restarts your singularity charger (I forgot the exact name). The 2 special consoles combined used to give 'enhanced projectile efficency' set bonus that used to reduce the cooldown of all torpedoes by 10%, but was nerfed into the current 'enhanced projectile potency' set bonus that gives +10% to projectile damage.

It would have been fine for the T'Varo Retrofit to have a special console if it costed 2500 Zen. But it costs 2000 Zen, just like the B'rel Retrofit. Another example of the blatant LoR power creep.

As to the console set - it's quite simple actually. The B'rel is an 'old era' ship (in terms of STO) and the T'Varo is a product from the era of "monetize everything" philosophy. That's why it has a console set, so they can sell the T1 one as well.
What is beyond me is why they won't fix the B'rotlh skin to be functional on the Fleet B'rel and not only on the T5 B'rel Retro. It might not have a set bonus, but many people would buy it and use it for the cool B'rotlh skin.

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There is no mechanical reason to run a B'rel retro over the T'varo retro.
Well, not quite true - there are a few things where the B'rel has an edge:

- 23 vs 18 turn rate
- All universal Boff stations
- 3 times smaller crew complement

and the most important one:

- wanting to play as KDF, with a Klingon char in a Klingon ship. This one is not mechanical technically , but...yeah
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# 60
04-18-2014, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ooliteflight View Post
I fly a Fleet B'rel Retrofit (Transphasic torpedo boat) and I have absolutely no issues with it when it comes to damage or surviving so I don't know what you are talking about. Thats not to say the T'varo isn't OP compared to the B'rel but it definitely isn't as bad as you say

Edit: Somehow I was quoting someone else
Tvaro is something like the best-sale tv shop thing= must-have in comparison with the brel.
The less crew, universal bof slots and bigger turn rate is hardly useful when what you actually need is a bigger punch! potential !
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