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# 381
05-03-2014, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ixuthan8 View Post
Today I tried to update my accolades checklist using the list in this thread as reference.
The FED total points of 18830 is not considering the 150 points from the duplicated "M.A.C.O. Elite Commander" and "Omega Force Shadow Operative".
My main toon is FED and those two accolades are duplicate and each one is now 2x75.
So, shouldn't the total now be 18980?
Are you absolutely positive this happened on a pure FED? Only the FEDROMs and KDFROMs were affected here. Pure FED and pure KDF were unaffected.

EDIT: I did get confirmation from a couple of people in the accolades chat channel that this seems to be happening to some pure FED and KDF too. I have written a plead to borticuscryptic in the bug forum to help the accolade community sort this out. If anyone has ideas how these duplicate accolades can be triggered on characters that didn't receive them automatically, feel free to share that information with us.

Last edited by therealfluffy; 05-03-2014 at 07:40 PM.
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# 382
05-06-2014, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by therealfluffy View Post
Are you absolutely positive this happened on a pure FED? Only the FEDROMs and KDFROMs were affected here. Pure FED and pure KDF were unaffected.
Yes, the toon I was refering is pure FED.
In fact that is the only toon on the account and there's never been another toon in there.

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Originally Posted by therealfluffy View Post
EDIT: I did get confirmation from a couple of people in the accolades chat channel that this seems to be happening to some pure FED and KDF too. I have written a plead to borticuscryptic in the bug forum to help the accolade community sort this out. If anyone has ideas how these duplicate accolades can be triggered on characters that didn't receive them automatically, feel free to share that information with us.
I have no idea how this happened or what triggered this.
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# 383
05-06-2014, 08:04 AM
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I have no idea how this happened or what triggered this.
Have both only once. Pure FED Alien. Accolades are more messed up by each season.
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# 384
05-07-2014, 04:16 AM
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Accolades are more messed up by each season.
Agreed.

The accolades in this game are getting more and more pointless trying to achieve when not everyone can get them all. I have previously suggested ways of bringing back retired accolades but those ideas were met with silence. My request to borticus was conveniently merged with the 80 page long thread discussing the broken STF tailor options and thus buried and forgotten.

I will make a final plead here and now to borticus or any other dev who happens to read this. PLEASE initiate a dialogue with us here in the accolade community. We have the will, motivation, ideas and energy to sort this mess out once and for all.

ilanis gave some very good suggestions in this post and I would suggest going so far as to move ALL current accolade points to a legacy status and then scrap the current system and start over from scratch.
  • Accolades should be real achievements, based on skill, grind and exploring your environment carefully. There are already several good examples of this in the game.
  • Accolades should not be rewarded for normal mission objectives that you have to complete to progress the mission in the first place.
  • Absolutely no random elements involved in any accolade. I can't stress this enough.
  • Extreme care should be taken when implementing any accolade so they'd never had to end up in a retired state. New players should have the same opportunities to collect all accolades as a player who has been here from the start.
  • And finally, do I have to express how I feel about monetization of accolades? The Khellid one gave me a real scare and I'm pleased to see Cryptic hasn't tried implementing anything similar since then.
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# 385
05-07-2014, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by therealfluffy View Post
  • Accolades should be real achievements, based on skill, grind and exploring your environment carefully. There are already several good examples of this in the game.
  • Accolades should not be rewarded for normal mission objectives that you have to complete to progress the mission in the first place.
  • Absolutely no random elements involved in any accolade. I can't stress this enough.
  • Extreme care should be taken when implementing any accolade so they'd never had to end up in a retired state. New players should have the same opportunities to collect all accolades as a player who has been here from the start.
  • And finally, do I have to express how I feel about monetization of accolades? The Khellid one gave me a real scare and I'm pleased to see Cryptic hasn't tried implementing anything similar since then.
These are all good points Fluffy.
Cryptic's promise of a full Klingon factionHawks: "The big problem is Cryptic didn't know what big IP they bought when they took over STO in the first place. The end result we are playing today. Cryptic was and will never be the right company for a Star Trek MMO."Death of a Fleet
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# 386
05-08-2014, 01:43 PM
I've been analyzing duplicate STF accos issue since S9 launch. Today I went to Commander Roxy and traded in all of my STF equipment on bunch of characters. From what I observed so far, duplicate STF sets accos issue is related to the time of acquiring sets and/or individual pieces of sets (time as in pre- or post-reputation time).

If you got all 3 pieces pre-rep through Tech (common, rare, prototype) turn-over, or EDC turn-over (for x and xi sets), or through auto-completion (e.g. auto-completion of mk x set acco upon acquiring mk xi set), you won't get duplicate acco for that set (be it x, xi or xii) and for xii set + elite optionals.

If you got at least one piece post-rep through reputation project, and you haven't completed that particular set pre-rep, you will get duplicate acco for that set. If it's a mk xii set, you will also get duplicate acco for xii set + elite optionals.

Few examples:
1. pure fed character - got Omega xi and MACO xi/xii pre-rep, got Omega xii post-rep (MACO and Omega mk x auto-completed upon acquiring mk xi sets pre-rep).
Results:
No duplicates for any MACO related acco; no duplicates for x/xi Omega.
Duplicate acco for Omega xii (OF Operative) and duplicate acco for Omega xii set + elite optionals (OF Shadow Operative).

2. pure fed character - only got MACO xii Armor pre-rep. That is, got Omega mk x/xi/xii sets and MACO xii Shield and Weapon post-rep.
Results:
Duplicate acco for every set except MACO x and duplicate accos for MACO/Omega xii set + elite optionals.

3. fed romulan character - got every set (mk x - xii) post-rep.
Results:
Duplicate acco for every set except MACO x and duplicate accos for MACO/Omega xii set + elite optionals.

That is, examples 2 and 3 got 7 duplicate accos: Omega - Recruit, Veteran, Operative, Shadow Operative, MACO - Veteran, Commando, Elite Commander.

4. pure kdf character – got HG mk xi pre-rep, got Omega x/xi/xii and HG mk xii post-rep (HG mk x auto-completed upon acquiring mk xi pre-rep).
Results:
Duplicate acco for every set except HG mk xi and HG mk x and duplicate accos for HG/Omega set + elite optionals.

5. pure kdf character – got every set post-rep
Results:
Duplicate acco for every set except HG mk x and duplicate accos for HG/Omega set + elite optionals.

So 7 duplicate accos for example 5: Omega – Recruit, Veteran, Operative, Shadow Operative, HG – Veteran, Elite, Elite Commander.

Some of duplicate accos were acquired only after I traded in sets to Commander Roxy. For some reason, trading in didn't trigger MACO mk x acco (MACO Recruit) and HG mk x acco (HG Recruit) so I'll assume they are currently bugged.
I could provide more examples, but they all point to the same thing.



TLDR: In a worst-case scenario (the one in which your character acquired all sets, MACO/HG and Omega mk x-xii pre-rep) you are out of luck for 425(!) accolade points from duplicate accos. Possibly even 450, if you count currently bugged MACO/HG mk x duplicate acco.

Last edited by olympus7; 05-08-2014 at 01:58 PM.
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# 387
05-09-2014, 04:20 AM
Thanks for your detailed analysis olympus7. I will refer to your post from the STF costume thread in the hope that borticus reads it.
I'll assume the duplication was unintended from his side but if we can't get his help to clean it up I have to throw in the towel on trying to keep track of all accolades. It becomes too complicated, for me at least, having to keep track of bugs affecting the accolades when the status of those bugs can change from patch to patch.
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# 388
05-09-2014, 10:03 AM
Just spotted the duplication is here to stay. Urg.

Last edited by idkode; 05-09-2014 at 10:07 AM.
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# 389
05-10-2014, 03:03 AM
I actually find it offending that they intentionally introduced a new inconsistency to solve a previous one. This developing approach does however explain the current state of the game's code.
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# 390
05-11-2014, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by olympus7 View Post
In a worst-case scenario (the one in which your character acquired all sets, MACO/HG and Omega mk x-xii pre-rep) you are out of luck for 425(!) accolade points from duplicate accos. Possibly even 450, if you count currently bugged MACO/HG mk x duplicate acco.
In my case...
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