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# 31
01-30-2010, 03:15 PM
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Indeed! Ship scaling is a bit funky from Tier to Tier.
While the ship was obviously designed to be a gunboat (read 14 torpedo tubes in canon works), It's just freakishly large compared to the other escorts /sans t5 (which it is the same size as)
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# 32
01-30-2010, 03:15 PM
I could be wrong but my escort seemed to be tougher and last longer than any BoPs that I came up against, it could be an equipment difference but it seemed fairly consistent.
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# 33
01-30-2010, 03:15 PM
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"fedballing" would vanish completely if Feds had Cloaking technology. You'd see a lot more hit-n-runs from escorts and more actual Tactics because the Escorts wouldn't be so afraid to leave their Cruisers side.



Not all Escrots are Engineers, and according to the BO skill system that we've been given, are *supposed* to be more effective for Tactical officers.

And again, you shouldn't have to mess with equipment and BOs to make yourself as effective as the other guy is by default.
You think a tactic like fed-balling would go away if the feds were given cloak? I just wonder how many of the STO subs even played MMOs before.

It would not go away, it is an effective tactic and it would continue with fed cloaks. So your solution is no good.
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# 34
01-30-2010, 03:16 PM
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on that note; was anyone else slightly disturbed at the raw size of the t3 escort: the Akira? That things bigger then a t2 cruiser!
I dont think the scaling is off by to much. I thought the size was decent. If I recall correctly from the ship comparison charts, the Akira-class is no small tomato.
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# 35
01-30-2010, 03:20 PM
but in my T3 fed escort I felt like one fat slow ****. BoPs could just sit behind me and adjust without any problems to any of my movements. Not funny getting your behind blasted away by the full frontal weapons of a BoP at point blank range....now Im the one blasting fed behinds^^
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# 36
01-30-2010, 03:21 PM
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but in my T3 fed escort I felt like one fat slow ****. BoPs could just sit behind me and adjust without any problems to any of my movements.
I noticed this until I slapped some combat engines in.
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# 37
01-30-2010, 03:22 PM
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The problem with this (and I'm not saying it's not viable or possible. You're absolutely right about tactics) is that Klingon Escorts don't have to do this. Cloaking is their defense. No need to equip for it directly, no need to train BOs for it, no need to rely more heavily on teammates for heals. Just Cloak and you've escaped after your initial burst.

Fed Escorts have comparable shields and hull and lack the GTFO button that Klingons have. It's not balanced. And won't be as long as Klingons have something as basic as stealth all to themselves.
Wut? Yes we do we'd be murdered if we didn't take powers like polarise hull/engi/sci team etc, a BoP is even more fragile than a normal escort and a raptor is just as fragile as one.

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Both very true. However, Klingon escorts are superior in almost every department, thanks in no small part to Battle Cloak.
Only BoP has battle cloak, the raptor doesn't, klings get 2 escort type ships remember.

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1. I (as in me, the player) am not attached to one faction or another. I'm neither Fed or Klingon. Nor do I have a preference

2. They fixed MES. It's still not even half as effective as Battle Cloak, even maxed out. Which BO slot takes up Battle Cloak again? I always forget what Klingons give up for that particular power.
Only the BoP has battle cloak and it's got the least hp in game iirc. Also as said before in this thread, battle cloak really isn't all it's cracked up to be, if you're being focus fired, you're more likely to get killed from using it than escape, all my escapes with it, I either wasn't being hit very hard or was out of weapons range.
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# 38
01-30-2010, 03:25 PM
in beta i had std phaser arrays front and rear, front canon, and torps front and rear .... coupled with 3 torpedo powers phaser overload, tacyon, reinforce sheilds, and proper consoles and equipment i did plenty for damage. hi had high mauveabillity thanx to a +25 turn rate engy console, and good combat engine.

there were plenty of pvp where i went 10+:1 or 10+:0 K/D ratio. lots of time i would be pretty banged up, but not dead.


one "secret" that seemd to work ofr me was the resilinet sheilds ..... they have lower total power but the 5% bleed thru vs the normal 10% seemd to help alot.
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# 39
01-30-2010, 03:27 PM
Suuuuure... they could give escorts something more, right after they restrict sci and cruiser ships from T2 pvp and sci ships from T3 and T4 additionally.

And btw, raptors have to use play defensively just like everyone else, RSP basically stops incoming damage, if the guy getting FF'd pops it your not going to kill him without completely unreasonable levels of coordination. (everyone turns off all energy weapons, using ONLY shield disables or drains and torps, etc)

Escorts can use this in T3, right when klingons get something other than escorts.

So cloak is pretty much the 'we get less hulls, shields, ship types (2 different focus leaning ships for each type in T5) but get the first shot' ability.

If one of the escorts didnt usually end up dying early in the fight from 5 dps ships focusing, klingons would just plain be at a disadvantage, being squishier with no support and their opening barrage advantage being worthless.
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# 40
01-30-2010, 03:30 PM
I haven't read this entire thread, but:

90% of all ships I see, and this is not an exagerrated amount, are escorts.
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