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# 11
02-01-2010, 01:33 AM
I hope they give us the kit we used to have, all whites and let them whine when we win then aswel.
OH NO CLOAK IS OP
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# 12
02-01-2010, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ocharni View Post
2 so far didnt seem that different to me(only played 5 matches as fed).

cloak simply is an insanely powerfull ability cause it lets klingons pick their fights ... that and evasive maneuvers which, combined with energy to engines, gives you a "get away from any fight" freecard ...
cloak hasn't changed since OB when the feds were winning every fight, it was the exact opposite it is now. And there are plenty of ways to knock out cloak. So why is it suddenly OP now?

Evasive maneuvers and energy to engines as well as engine batteries can be used by either side. So couldn't you do the same then hit MES?

I also know from experience that if the feds all focus fire on me I don't survive very long, not long enough to get away that's for sure. And using battle cloak is a gamble as I'll take a few hits with no shields as it engages.

Really the ONLY thing that has changed on klingon side from when feds were kicking ass is the new starting equipment which isn't that good. And if you don't have better equipment I have no freaking clue what your doing, because on the throw away fed i made to unlock klingon I have better gear then that. So on the one I am going to play after I get my retail key I'm sure will have much better shields and weapons etc by the time I hit lvl 6
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# 13
02-01-2010, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sabrem View Post
cloak hasn't changed since OB when the feds were winning every fight, it was the exact opposite it is now. And there are plenty of ways to knock out cloak. So why is it suddenly OP now?

Evasive maneuvers and energy to engines as well as engine batteries can be used by either side. So couldn't you do the same then hit MES?

I also know from experience that if the feds all focus fire on me I don't survive very long, not long enough to get away that's for sure. And using battle cloak is a gamble as I'll take a few hits with no shields as it engages.

Really the ONLY thing that has changed on klingon side from when feds were kicking ass is the new starting equipment which isn't that good. And if you don't have better equipment I have no freaking clue what your doing, because on the throw away fed i made to unlock klingon I have better gear then that. So on the one I am going to play after I get my retail key I'm sure will have much better shields and weapons etc by the time I hit lvl 6
MES requires a BOff slot, where cloak does not. And the feds have undergone a lot of nerfing since OB from what I can tell. The only things buffed on the fed side are cruisers, and even then that isn't enough to contend with the trampling the science vessel has gotten.
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# 14
02-01-2010, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sabrem View Post
cloak hasn't changed since OB when the feds were winning every fight, it was the exact opposite it is now. And there are plenty of ways to knock out cloak. So why is it suddenly OP now?

Evasive maneuvers and energy to engines as well as engine batteries can be used by either side. So couldn't you do the same then hit MES?

I also know from experience that if the feds all focus fire on me I don't survive very long, not long enough to get away that's for sure. And using battle cloak is a gamble as I'll take a few hits with no shields as it engages.

Really the ONLY thing that has changed on klingon side from when feds were kicking ass is the new starting equipment which isn't that good. And if you don't have better equipment I have no freaking clue what your doing, because on the throw away fed i made to unlock klingon I have better gear then that. So on the one I am going to play after I get my retail key I'm sure will have much better shields and weapons etc by the time I hit lvl 6
you have blue weapons and blue shields as fed @ lvl 6 if you do the normal missions and do some SB24 and crystal entity.

But the funny part is, the blues you get 5-10 as fed are as good as the items you can buy from T2 vendors, so .... you get gear from T1 content that can be used in T2 end. and when you do T2 content, you get T3 gear ... etc etc so basicly Feds have from T2> +1tier the better gear we do.
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# 15
02-01-2010, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Emn1ty View Post
MES requires a BOff slot, where cloak does not. And the feds have undergone a lot of nerfing since OB from what I can tell. The only things buffed on the fed side are cruisers, and even then that isn't enough to contend with the trampling the science vessel has gotten.
see I said this in another thread about this topic. I'm thinking it's a issue with all the nerfs the feds has gotten, I never PvPed on the fed side so I'm not sure how the nerfs effect it. But it seems a lot of people aren't taking those into account and are quick to decide that the klingons have some mysterious buff going on.

Anyway I'm open to the idea that there is a balancing issue, but from what I can see from OB compared to now only the gear changed on the klingon side. So I don't think the issue is there.
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# 16
02-01-2010, 07:07 AM
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WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT.
all I said is that people will cry bloody murder if you dare raise a question of imbalance I didn't even say an opinion I was just forcasting what would happen in this thread and it did. some people have no sense of irony
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# 17
02-01-2010, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sabrem View Post
cloak hasn't changed since OB when the feds were winning every fight, it was the exact opposite it is now. And there are plenty of ways to knock out cloak. So why is it suddenly OP now?

Evasive maneuvers and energy to engines as well as engine batteries can be used by either side. So couldn't you do the same then hit MES?

I also know from experience that if the feds all focus fire on me I don't survive very long, not long enough to get away that's for sure. And using battle cloak is a gamble as I'll take a few hits with no shields as it engages.

Really the ONLY thing that has changed on klingon side from when feds were kicking ass is the new starting equipment which isn't that good. And if you don't have better equipment I have no freaking clue what your doing, because on the throw away fed i made to unlock klingon I have better gear then that. So on the one I am going to play after I get my retail key I'm sure will have much better shields and weapons etc by the time I hit lvl 6
Thing is, if any side side has such a high win/loss ratio in any tier, something is just plain wrong from a balance point of view (and practically all klinks agree that their t1 win/loss ratio is ridiculously high). And the argument that all the feds are noobs is just bs. The only experienced players in sto right now are the ones from cb/ob and if you think that the nearly all of cb/ob players decided to roll klingon characters, you need to get your head checked. Both klinks and feds have an equal influx of noobs atm.

Also, we can't do the same thing with MES, because MES is **** now in pvp, anyone can see an MES'd player from 20+ km. With the best possible skills+ items available in t2 I can get within 1-2km of an npc enemy while under mes. In pvp, they see me coming from 20+km.

So the problem is that now your (klingon) ships have comparable survivability, far more maneuverability, a very functional cloak, and the ability to pick what type of officers you have (i.e. we're forced into 1 sci officer, 1 tac, 1 engineer in T1 and some 2-1-1 combination in T2 while you guys can have any combination you see fit). As a result of all of this you as a group can cherry pick what fights you want to engage and hide when the odds are not in your favor to await reinforcements.

We (feds) can't. All we have is comparable survivability and, possibly, slightly better gear. Even though in a pug, on balance, the gear on both sides is roughly equivalent because you're as likely to get an under geared ally as you are to get an over geared ally. With pre-nerf MES, some of the more experienced players could pick our fights at the cost of a boff slot.

But all of this is largely irrelevant because there is simple evidence that T1 pvp is horribly unbalanced atm (the ridiculous win/loss ratio klingons have). And anyone saying that "the entire fed faction needs to L2P" is a generalization that shows the foolishness of that poster.
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# 18
02-01-2010, 07:26 AM
Cloaking is a PITA to balance around because one side will say its too powerful and the other side will say that they give up too much to get it. At least, thats how the forums have portrayed it.
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# 19
02-01-2010, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoOverdose View Post
But all of this is largely irrelevant because there is simple evidence that T1 pvp is horribly unbalanced atm (the ridiculous win/loss ratio klingons have). And anyone saying that "the entire fed faction needs to L2P" is a generalization that shows the foolishness of that poster.
T1 is imbalanced toward klingons, T2 is imbalanced toward Feds, T3 is somewhat balanced, T4 is a dps cluster**** with intermittent hold and super-shield buffs.

Beams cant break shields in T1, klingons get poor support in T2, T3 isnt too bad, T4 shields are either impossible to break or gone in 2 seconds (even from beams most of the time).

While I think the buff to dual heavy cannons during OB was kind of stupid, really the scaling just isnt even between weapon damage and shields for players.
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Oh and most of the fed faction does need to "L2P" they just need to realize that alot of people saying it ACTUALLY MEAN IT CONSTRUCTIVELY.

There were escort players who were otherwise fine who didnt know you could alternate dual heavy cannons for stupidly high shield damage.

Other ones trying to ask me for advice on science ships, though I couldnt really do that since a full explanation of science ships would likely take several pages. (I can explain escorts and cruiser setups in a few paragraphs, science consoles and Aux make sci vessels a little different)

So yes, new players need to learn the basics, there are plenty of new klingon players as well and they just get pasted by feds in a balanced team. Complaining here instead of helping other fed players out with abilities they dont understand doesnt solve anything, except for maybe a need to rant.
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# 20
02-01-2010, 07:56 AM
I've seen some pretty organized fed teams get destroyed by klingon ones in this game. It isn't just teamwork at times, it really does come down to the fact the Klingons have far more control over the fight than the Federation teams do. We are limited in many ways where the Klingons are pretty open in terms of weapons, Boff's and when/where they fight. The klingons have a gigantic strategical advantage over the Federation and that is why they are OP in T1 and T2.
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