Lt. Commander
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# 11
02-01-2010, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gumby75 View Post
Is This Game For Me?
How should I know? I'm not you. Play it for yourself and see.
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# 12
02-01-2010, 09:05 AM
As a pvp junkie, you will probably like these fun little facts. Also, keep in mind I am a T2 Federation Escort player with mostly greens and a couple blues::

-Klingons level mostly by pvp, Federation CAN, but Fed is more focused on the exploration/missions style of PvE.
-Open space is NOT open pvp. PvP takes place in special zones/arenas. However, "enemy contact" NPCs can engage you at any time should they get close enough (and they are actually quite fun little diversions to break up long flights in between sectors)
-Klingons are zomgpwn powerful in T1, pretty even in T2 class-to-class (So a bird of prey versus an escort in T2), and from there on it's up to your skills, Bridge Officer abilities, and gear on your ship to determine the winner.
SIDENOTE: Flying fully speed, high yield popped, rapid fire cannons popped, straight at a BoP while they are doing the same is pretty much one of the quintissentially awesome bits of PvP for an escort player so far
-On ground, Klingons are much more melee based than Federation. Basically, Klingons have a bit more resilience to get them close to the Fed players, but Fed players have long range and ranged weapon bonuses to balance it. Once an averagely geared klingon gets into bat'leth range, tho, then it's ON. Have only done a couple of ground PvP fights so far, were pretty fun.
-You can queue for PvP anywhere in the universe, and it will teleport you back to where you were when you leave PvP

As to the time investment:

Questing is balanced into single missions of an episode arc. Let me explain that. Episodes are mission lines, usually 3 missions and up to 20 missions long. Each mission is an individual save point along the way of that Episode. So, for example, you're doing a bone-standard patrol episode (obligatory: "Where is Sulu?" comment here), in which you go to 3-6 star systems, warp in, and get assigned a random task, usually "beam down and scan these 5 items" or "escort this freighter through the three squadrons of gorn" or "fight this evenly levelled but higher class ship for the win" type of things. When you finish that MISSION, it updates the EPISODE. Meaning, realisitacally, if you just warped out of mission and have to go take care of the kid, simply log off and do your real life obligations, and when you come back, your ship is where you left it, your episode is where you left it, and all the missions you've completed are still complete.

This is a nice way to allow for big arching narratives in a game that can't be paused (well, for longer than 45 seconds ). It allows the casual gamer the opportunity to do big, important lore episodes however quickly they want to. For example, the City on the Edge of Never is a pretty huge lore chain, but takes about 11 missions to do. At any point, you can simply leave the episode (say the kid needs some attention) by exiting the game, warping out/beaming up, etc, and go take care of it. The ONLY caveat to that is that when you do come back online, you have to start that mission over again, but you will be the same amount of missions into the episode. Also... MOST (notice, I said MOST) missions don't take longer than 15 minutes max. There are a few (I'm looking at you, escort-the-freighter-to-6-points-around-a-planet mission <.<) that take longer, but overall, I feel it's a very smart way of making sure you can experience the game at the pace you want/need.

I myself am a Lt Comm 6, but I had nothing else to do over the weekend... it'll probably take me the next month and a bit to get to Admiral, because I am a casual player that can only play when I don't have college stuff to do and/or in the evenings only.
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# 13
02-01-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
How should I know? I'm not you. Play it for yourself and see.
Instead of dumping money into a game that might require a ridicoulous grind prior to pvp'ing I thought I would ask around. Darkfall Online is a great game, but the grind is horrific. Thanks for the reply though, your input is valuable.

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# 14
02-01-2010, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gumby75 View Post
Instead of dumping money into a game that might require a ridicoulous grind prior to pvp'ing I thought I would ask around. Darkfall Online is a great game, but the grind is horrific. Thanks for the reply though, your input is valuable.

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To be honest, I actually haven't found the game grindy at all. Then again, I am simply levelling via PvE and episodes. I've dabbled into PvP but I'm still mostly a PvE player. If you want to be a klingon, then the only grind I can see is the first 6 levels of Federation XD
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# 15
02-01-2010, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gumby75 View Post
Instead of dumping money into a game that might require a ridicoulous grind prior to pvp'ing I thought I would ask around. Darkfall Online is a great game, but the grind is horrific. Thanks for the reply though, your input is valuable.

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Maybe you werent aware, but it was completely possible to play this game during beta without ever paying a cent. Pre-orders got beta keys, and if you canceled your pre-order before launch you werent charged.
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# 16
02-01-2010, 09:12 AM
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First, I don't have a lot of time on my hands to level as work and a 2 year old daughter occupy the majority of my time. How is the leveling on here? Also, how is the PvP as I am a PvP junky and could care less about PvE or story lines? Is it free-for-all or simply Klingons vs. Starfleet? Is it zoned, or are you able to fight anywhere? Is PvP only in space or can you have ground combat as well?

Lastly, are you able to start out as a klingon or do you have to get to a certain level before that race is available and re-roll?
PvP is quite dull and lacks any real substance. PvP is basically like playing your single player game on Gamespy and entering a multiplayer combat, 10vs 10 is the normal with some 5v5 combat. All combat is Team Death Match and Instant spawn. You basically instantly spawn ready to fight again while losing nothing in the process. PvP has no reason at all as well. Nothing you do in PvP impacts anyone else, be it House vs House combat or Fed vs Klingon. Your wins dont help you and your losses dont hurt you.

PvP is absolutely meaningless.

The game is total fluff.
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# 17
02-01-2010, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Gumby75 View Post
Instead of dumping money into a game that might require a ridicoulous grind prior to pvp'ing I thought I would ask around. Darkfall Online is a great game, but the grind is horrific. Thanks for the reply though, your input is valuable.

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LOL.. Darkfall you are viable from day 1. The grind is only there if that is what you look for. Take it from a beta tester and day 1 player of Darkfall.
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# 18
02-01-2010, 09:15 AM
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First, I don't have a lot of time on my hands to level as work and a 2 year old daughter occupy the majority of my time. How is the leveling on here? Also, how is the PvP as I am a PvP junky and could care less about PvE or story lines? Is it free-for-all or simply Klingons vs. Starfleet? Is it zoned, or are you able to fight anywhere? Is PvP only in space or can you have ground combat as well?

Lastly, are you able to start out as a klingon or do you have to get to a certain level before that race is available and re-roll?
Leveling is not that fast in the game, generally speaking, but it's very casual friendly. Missions are longish -- expect 30-60 minutes for some of them, which is longer than the typical MMO quest, because they generally have several parts to them.

To unlock Klingons you need a fed character to level 6. That Klingon, though, starts at level 7.

PvP is in space and on the ground. It isn't free-range, it is in PvP zones/instances. There is also Klingon vs Klingon "house battles" PvP available. Klingons are pretty much 100% PvP at this point because there isn't much PvE content for them (more is coming apparently).
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# 19
02-01-2010, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gumby75 View Post
First, I don't have a lot of time on my hands to level as work and a 2 year old daughter occupy the majority of my time. How is the leveling on here? Also, how is the PvP as I am a PvP junky and could care less about PvE or story lines? Is it free-for-all or simply Klingons vs. Starfleet? Is it zoned, or are you able to fight anywhere? Is PvP only in space or can you have ground combat as well?

Lastly, are you able to start out as a klingon or do you have to get to a certain level before that race is available and re-roll?
This is just my opinion, but:
  • Leveling is realtively easy. I am a casual solo player, and do not find it very difficult
  • PvP is okay.
    • FvK, and KvK matches only (space and ground)
    • PvP matches are fun, but still broken currently.
    • No real 'Open world PvP' yet.
    • No 'PvP Exposed PvE' (ie its basically just WoW BGs)
    • Too 'safe' and meaningless for me right now.
  • You have to start a Fed toon to unlock Klingons.
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# 20
02-01-2010, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Balthus
I haven't experienced PvP, so I can't give you advice on that. Also we do not know yet if the queues stay in after launch and how severe there are. To get an honest picture you should give the game a few weeks.

However, you might want to look into EVE Online as well. Not because it's better, but I think it's very casual friendly. In EVE, you learn the skills simply by spending time on the, even offline. That means, even if you can only play for 5 hours in a week, you can still advance skillwise. I liked that concept a lot.
EVE also has the steepest learning curve of any MMO I've ever seen. It also has a completely player run economy which recently had a financial crisis because a player run bank was very shady. IMO it's not very casual friendly because to do or see any of the cool stuff, you do have to devote a lot of time to it. Simply going across the galaxy takes hours because it's all one giant server. Which is cool and all if you like EVE, but don't say it's casual.

STO is fairly casual on the other hand. It should take you 20ish hours to get to your Tier 2 ship, and that is about as far as I have ever gotten. So who knows after that. You can join fleet actions, you can do PvP, you can quest. All of them don't require much grouping as the server will auto join you to groups if you set it to that. The longest fleet action I have been in required about, 45 minutes of time.
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