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# 21
02-01-2010, 05:41 PM
They could do worse than to look at the ship designs in BOTF. There were cruisers of various sizes but also small destroyers, similar to those seen in "Sacrifice of Angels". (Look a bit like those weird fossils) Also their hulls tended to be stronger and their shields weaker than average.

As far as the Cardassians as a people go... welll we know that prior to STO they had a massive military budget which accounts for the strength of their military. Also the Obsidian Order is more than capable of influencing military events through sabotage and espionage. They don't just interrogate, the also assassinate.

And let us not forget that Cardassia definately does have scientists, 2 of them appear on DS9 early on. But I believe they themselves said that science is a low priority for Cardassia.

I dont think they should be better engineers though as according to one of the scientists MEN dont usually make good engineers. So unless you are playing a female Cardassian your engineering will suck!

EDIT: See DS9 Series 3 Episode 15 "Destiny"
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# 22
02-01-2010, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabidfish View Post
They could do worse than to look at the ship designs in BOTF. There were cruisers of various sizes but also small destroyers, similar to those seen in "Sacrifice of Angels". (Look a bit like those weird fossils) Also their hulls tended to be stronger and their shields weaker than average.

As far as the Cardassians as a people go... welll we know that prior to STO they had a massive military budget which accounts for the strength of their military. Also the Obsidian Order is more than capable of influencing military events through sabotage and espionage. They don't just interrogate, the also assassinate.

And let us not forget that Cardassia definately does have scientists, 2 of them appear on DS9 early on. But I believe they themselves said that science is a low priority for Cardassia.

I dont think they should be better engineers though as according to one of the scientists MEN dont usually make good engineers. So unless you are playing a female Cardassian your engineering will suck!

EDIT: See DS9 Series 3 Episode 15 "Destiny"
I disagree...both made excellent engineers, but just like humans had the perception that housework was women's jobs...The Cardassians felt that Engineers were women's work...there were male engineers and quite good...but the perception was a powerful one.

As for the game though. If Cryptic's formula holds true and Tactical officers will fly escorts, Engineers in cruisers, and Science in Science vessels...The Galor and Keldon certainly do not fall under Science or Escorts....So I figured they would be Cruisers (large ships, less maneuverable, large crews, multiple weapons).

I know what the TV series portrayed, actually I'm trying to translate it into GAME terms... when the patch comes out, will this faction be more like the Federation with a focus on PvE and PvP equally? or more like the Klingons where PvP is everything? Will tactical officers be capable of flying a Galor or Keldon or an Engineer a better command choice? What catagory will those ships fall under?

Canon is only going to go so far, but then the accuracy is going to trail off. And admit it or not, the Romulan and Cardassian cultures are practically unknown (very little was ever developed) and this is why I think the two species were left out of launch, it will take an enormous effort to build cultures for each..apart from the limited information we already have.
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# 23
02-02-2010, 11:09 AM
I would also like to point out that the Obsidian Order was effectively exterminated after the attempt to eliminate the Founders. All of those Cardassian ships were crewed by operatives of the Order, and what few Garak was aware of still on Cardassia were killed during the events of S6 E19 "In the Pale Moonlight". I believe they make mention to that being a reason why the Detapa Council was able to overthrow the Central Command, which started the Klingon invasion.

But it would seem that aside from what we have seen in the shows, it will depend on if Cryptic sticks with the formula they have thus far.
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# 24
02-02-2010, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt_Raimus
Well, the most logical thing to do, given the history from the Path to 2409, would be a change in Cardassian military strategy, especially as it states that they aren't supposed to field a military or wage war due to an agreement with the Federation at the end of the Dominion War. I still think it would be interesting to play as a Cardassian in a Cardassian ship and Cardassian goals, but I'm not sure how they'd work them in at this point. Maybe a small militia, something like that.
First and foremost, I do not know anything about the Cardassian faction! New to all of this Trek stuff. But this thread sure is interesting.

As the quoted message says, it is entirely plausible that the Cardassians have shifted tactical and strategic focus. Remember, Cryptic now have artistic license over the IP in this time continuum; the movies are now being created using the ST-XI time continuum. In fact, I really like the way they have done this, because it means that (as long as they get approval) they can do pretty much whatever they want.

Cardassians may well be setup to steal some extremely highly technological artifacts, or perhaps a small faction of scientists defect to them; either way, Cryptic could justifiably make the Cardassians a technological powerhouse. Just remember, this game is not set in the Enterprise-D era, it's the future, anything is possible
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# 25
02-02-2010, 02:05 PM
Although it is amusing to characterize each race as one of the three focuses presented in game (much like the thread I saw a bit ago, trying to label each captain from the series as one of the three), I really don't think most entire cultures can be summarized in such an abbreviated fashion.

The Cardassians are brutal, but also dedicated to their families. They believe in order and hierarchy, but are prone to betrayal and slipshod maintenance. They don't have much fame as scientists, but all it takes is one person to have one good idea.

That said, I'll join in the fun . . . they're certainly not Science. I'd be tempted to call them Engineering, but the whole "20% of peak is considered acceptable" thing kind of shoots that in the foot for me. That leaves Tactical. I mean, come on, they use arguing to indicate romantic interest!
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# 26
02-02-2010, 02:18 PM
The Cardassians are a very militaristic race and raised to be extremely loyal to Cardassia, this combined with the fact that their education system was considered one of the very best in the whole quadrant (Cardassians enter intense mental training at age 4 which leads to them having both a photographic memory and being immune to telepathic probing such as Vulcan mind melds) makes them a very capable foe. They are known for being elusive, crafty, clever, paranoid and deceitful and though their ships may be inferior to those of some of their enemies, they often use elaborate strategies and tactics to prevail. As a Klingon in an episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine said refering to his experience fighting Cardassians - They have a plan within a plan within a plan leading to a trap. They also are stronger and have better endurace than humans due to Cardassia Prime having higher gravity and a thinner atmosphere.
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# 27
02-26-2010, 10:48 AM
Okay, so now that I've sorted out the problem with posting on the forums, I think we can get this ball rolling again.

Yes, the Cardassians did claim to have one of the best education systems in the quadrant. But the man making that claim was Gul Dukat, a Cardassian military official, and realistically there are certain things you learn about creativity when you're allowed to have a childhood. And let's face it, is the Cardassian education system really going to top the Vulcan one? I highly doubt it.

Part of the issue is also that Cardassian research is likely to be highly militarily oriented, they probably aren't going to be interested in new ways to grow crops when whey can just conquer another planet. So I would say science is out. Engineering, you could have them, as I'm sure there are specialized science officers in the Cardassian military (or were) and would have engineering officers, but probably at least three quarters of their forces would be tactical. That having been said, I think they should have better access to special ops gear, with the Obsidian Order having been considered efficient enough to teach the Tal Shiar a thing or two. While the Order no longer exists, it's highly doubtful that their equipment and training would have completely disappeared, especially with Garak in a position in the upper government.
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# 28
02-27-2010, 11:44 AM
From what I could gather Male Cardassians aren't reknowned for their engineering ability,
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gilora_Rejal
Tracy Scoggins played GIlora Rejal in DS9.
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# 29
03-07-2010, 09:27 AM
This also brings up another question, and that would be: What is the focused profession of a Romulan? Judging by the faction screen, the next faction to be playable will be either Cardassians or Romulans. So I think it makes sense to figure out both.
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# 30
03-07-2010, 11:32 AM
Romulan - Either Engineer or Science Officer. The Romulans seem to have lots of turrets and other engineer abilities on their leaders, apart from the Medics and Centurion Scientists which are definitely science officers.
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