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# 21
02-02-2010, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonphase View Post
This is why I don't PvP anymore, its fine if you have a static group on vent and you co-ordinate every move, every sign of enemy contact and co-ordinate attacks/stuns/roots/Mes/etc to maximum effect, but in a 'random' group where you can't voice chat or form incredibly fast tactics and strategies on the fly, you have no chance in PvP especially against veteran PvPers or worse, an opposing foe that is purely built for PvP and the Klingons are essentially just that.

Do the klinks need nerfs? Wholehearted yes they do, hopefully soon before the PvP whine crowd arrives.

Another issue is that people PvP with essentially PvE gear on.....thats another big mistake. If the feds queue up for PvP, make sure you have some BO that have highly useful PvP abilities such as detecting cloaks etc...
Actually, klingons require more coordination to pvp. Uncoordinated uncloaking leads to 5v1, and a you're gonna have a bad time. We learned that we need to get on vent or at least team up to pvp. Wait till a few days after launch and you will see a mass of pug klingon teams. ATM you are fighting mostly beta people that learned the hard way that lack of coordination against the fedball is a quick way to die.

Vs a organized group of fed players, there is almost no chance at winning. I have seen 3 BOP pounding on an escort and with good teamwork he lives through everything thrown at him. I have seen 5 BOP pounding on a engy piloted cruiser and they cannot drop him in the 20 seconds it takes his team to FI to him.

You cannot balance stupid. If cryptic balances pvp around people flying into pvp with pve gear, or make it so the dumbest fed players can run around ungrouped and win vs a coordinated klingon team they will break PVP and see a lot of players leave. We got decimated in T2 pvp until we learned the necessary skills. This involved a LOT of dying, now it's your turn. Don't think you can run into a gunfight with a baseball bad and do good. Use the right equipment for the job.


To people whining about dps from klingons, next time you actually make an attempt to win look at the damage. I've put out 180k damage before and dropped 4 ships, counting my team we put out 250k and dropped 6-7 ships total. The entire fed team put out 100k and killed 15 ships. I realize that you guys are looking at that 180k and comparing it to your 30k it seems overpowered, but remember that it took 180k to drop 4 ships. Your team's 100k won the match.
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# 22
02-02-2010, 10:52 AM
so many clueless posts here, its terrible and sad to read
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# 23
02-02-2010, 02:49 PM
The only thing that matters here is whether or not, in a coordinated encounter, there's a clear advantage for one side or the other.

Cloaking breaks PvP in a way that can't readily be addressed. Canon is one thing, but the practical reality of creating a balanced PvP environment has to come first. Either nerf cloaking (likely) or give the Feds something with which to compensate.
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# 24
02-02-2010, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wildfyre010 View Post
The only thing that matters here is whether or not, in a coordinated encounter, there's a clear advantage for one side or the other.
Yes it is the only thing that matters, and in a coordinated encounter on both sides, the Feds are actually at a very slight advantage on most tiers.

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Cloaking breaks PvP in a way that can't readily be addressed. Canon is one thing, but the practical reality of creating a balanced PvP environment has to come first. Either nerf cloaking (likely) or give the Feds something with which to compensate.
Feds have abilities to compensate. There are skills that will find Cloaked ships and reveal them. Firing on ships with torpedos as they are cloaking will rock a ship. (Two HYT's to a cloaking T2 BoP will kill it just about every time).

The fact that people don't fully understand this as of yet doesn't mean the system is broken, it means that the people aren't yet skilled. You can't expect to pick up a game and be on par with people who have been playing it for a while and learning to work together. You have unrealistic expectations if you think you should be able to.

As someone who played Klingon for a good amount of time in OB, I can tell you hands down that the reason that the Klingons are beating us right now is because they spent the time, took the lumps, and for two weeks got their butts handed to them nearly endlessly for many hours until they figured out what they were doing wrong.

Times are changing. With the Retail Launch coming in you're going to find some Klingon pugs as someone mentioned, and you're going to see the marked difference in your ability to kick them around.

In my time as playing a Klingon I got incredibly frustrated in the PvP because all we did was lose. I haven't started PvPing as a Feddie since I switched back to them (I played Feddie in CB and Klingie in OB), but I can tell you from looking down the barrel of the phaser ball - the Fed ships are not underpowered in comparison.

They do, however, require skilled, team-oriented pilots.
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# 25
02-03-2010, 02:17 AM
I am going to have to disagree with most of what your saying. I have played up to tier 3 on both sides. I will say I didn't do a tier 3 escort but saw some who did. And they did fine.

Coordination is the key to PVP period doesn't matter what side your playing. The side that works together best will win. Even if they are out numbered. I played both ground and space now ground a smaller number on one side is a bit more valid to win due to cover and other tactics. But even in space a well coordinated group will beat greater numbers. Now in tier 1 when folks are just starting out to learn to play PVP the feds pretty much suck. They have no coordination for the most part and the Klingons know they have to coordinate to win.

There is only one thing I will agree with in your post and that is auto grouping for PVP should be in period.
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# 26
02-03-2010, 02:57 AM
The answer to how do I turn around on the BoP that has me tractor beamed before he blows me up ?

Polarize Hull.

Escorts do it to me as a klingon too......also switching power to engines with some extra in shield power...and hitting evasive manuevers will let you squirm out nine times in ten too...

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# 27
02-03-2010, 03:05 AM
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Yes it is the only thing that matters, and in a coordinated encounter on both sides, the Feds are actually at a very slight advantage on most tiers.
Incorrect. All tiers. Its that most feds don't want to 'do it right' you really need balance as a fed team.

More than two of any one ship is one too many. 2 escorts 2 sci one cruiser, 2 sci 2 cruisers one escort.
2 escorts 2 cruisers 1 sci.

Each has a different dynamic to it. But has very few weaknesses. The first is a high dps high risk set up where the sci guys REALLY need to pay attention to the escorts.. The second is a classic ball with the escort being the guy that is the bait with the other four focusing on him to keep him alive and keep the ball in overlapping fields of fire to win... The last is the least tenable unless the cruisers assist on the Escort coverage for the pounding they'll take...

Protect your weak link...play to your strengths...
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# 28
02-03-2010, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by hellcane View Post
You cannot balance stupid.
This is so going in my sig.
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# 29
02-03-2010, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kameleonic View Post
Q. Have you ever played as a Tier 2 Klingon?

If yes: You have very valid points.
If no: You have somewhat valid points.

You really need to see it from both angles.

I am only just Tier 2 Klingon, no PvP yet. In Tier 1 it was 50/50 always: I lost or I won, that was it. I tried PvP from both sides in Tier 1 and realised we were well balanced.

Tier 2 I don't know, but I do know that unless someone has tried both sides, they are only somewhat knowledgable at best.
You suck if your T1 was 50/50. Klings are OP in t1. I am almost to t3 as a kling now.

Dear Fed who just hit t2 and now he wants to PVP.

YOU ARE GOING TO GET FING KILLED!!!! Do you realize there is nothing else to do as a klingon (other than kahless to level 16.) So we get good at it. You cannot come in on your first match with no organization, no teamwork, no heal skills, and only pve experience and expect to win!!!
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# 30
02-03-2010, 10:30 AM
Serious imbalance....Fed Excorts dont have a chance to sream before they die!
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