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# 21
02-02-2010, 12:38 PM
Okay well here I will admit I'm not a programmer. As a matter of fact, I hate programming. Unfortunately you run into the problem of people deployed overseas that should have access to their servers... which may or may not be a problem for the companies economic model ...

Then again you also run into the problem of rerouting their IPs through Indonesia, Australia, and even the Cuban Isles (true story).

To be honest I was never in the higher echelon of Blizz communication so I have no idea why they didn't just outright ban IP access from China, or Asia for that matter ... so I can't really tell you why they didn't.

All I can tell you is that it was a giant pain int he ass to track down and ID the problem makers. That was with a staff of 30 or more people at 24 hours 7 days a week. Most of our database searches were done over night as to not stress the servers during play time but even then ... it was far too much to handle.

I hope what I'm saying makes it to the STO leads sp they can determine a good combat strat. This isn't a game you're playing anymore. It's an all out war with another nation that refuses to acknowledge your laws and rules as far as gaming and businesses are concerned.

Do what Blizzard didn't have the balls to do. Take the gloves off and tell them, with out any notion other than the fact, "NO!" You will not stand for anything less. You will not abide while they attempt to leach off of you ... you will not accept that they are a nu sense that you must deal with. Give them a clear an undeniably equivocate, "NO!"
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# 22
02-02-2010, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kosh800 View Post
I'm sorry but that is the dumbest of the dumb I've ever heard. I investigated them ... traced their IPs back to China, South Korea, and even parts of Australian and Indonesia ... they don't have some secret eal with the devs to split the profits.

As a matter of pure fact, while working at Blizzard it was a known fact that for every Chinese farmer we banned, a new one would buy a copy of the game and (on average) a 3 month time card for hat account. So it was actually in Blizzard's best interest to ban the farmers ASAP, as they would always buy a new copy of the game (the ID) and a 3 month card to enable their business.

I really have no idea where this black helicopter **** comes from ... some people just think that everyone is out to get them, I guess.

I can tell you this, though ... Unless the Dev company is HEAVILY invested in Chinese industry ... they have NO reason to team up with the farmers to gain ANYTHING ...

And this is coming from someone who worked for Blizzard for nearly 3 years as a GM/Specialist/Account Investigator. I don't don't know much about development but I do know this much about the on-going business model ...

So there are no Black Helicopters ... only American or UK business members getting screwed over by cheap labor in the Asian continent ...

I realize you worked for WoW as a GM... Which is a lot like being a Candy Striper for the CIA...

But I am a senior software developer of 15 years just professionally...an MCAD, MCSD, MCDBA, OCP, and MCSE... (those are just the commercial ones), And I have worked on two MMO projects.... as well as working for astronautics and missile programming right now...

Lay off the insults.... You played a character in WoW and ran trace route... It's not Matlock....

Honestly though...you're worst move is not knowing what "black helcopterish" is... It meant it was conspiratorial... as in "irrational" ....

But if you want to know what some of things dev's have done in commercial programming that they don't announce to the free help...buy me a beer sometime and I'll show you.... =D
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# 23
02-02-2010, 12:42 PM
I really see no difference than purchasing C-Store points to get a new uniform or to purchase an new character slot, currency just appears to be a no brainer. There are other mmo's that do it, and have cut out the godl farmers.

No mind you these are free to play games, yet you can purchase currency from them directly to purchase things.

To name a few:

DDO
Anarchy Online
Runes of Magic
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# 24
02-02-2010, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by overloadu View Post
I really see no difference than purchasing C-Store points to get a new uniform or to purchase an new character slot, currency just appears to be a no brainer. There are other mmo's that do it, and have cut out the godl farmers.

No mind you these are free to play games, yet you can purchase currency from them directly to purchase things.

To name a few:

DDO
Anarchy Online
Runes of Magic
AO started selling credits? ...Or do you mean points...like Cryptic?


Either way, I think I agree with you... They might as well just sell the credits themselves...except that it would undermine the credibility of the game's economy, which is what a lot of players come to MMO's for...

As long as it's lawless communists that are making money off of credit selling, the game company not only retains credibility, it becomes as much a victim as you are...

Hmmmm
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# 25
02-02-2010, 12:48 PM
Hey gang,

I talked about this recently here:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=96466

Thanks,

Stormshade
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# 26
02-02-2010, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by someGit View Post
I realize you worked for WoW as a GM... Which is a lot like being a Candy Striper for the CIA...

But I am a senior software developer of 15 years just professionally...an MCAD, MCSD, MCDBA, OCP, and MCSE... (those are just the commercial ones), And I have worked on two MMO projects.... as well as working for astronautics and missile programming right now...

Lay off the insults.... You played a character in WoW and ran trace route... It's not Matlock....

Honestly though...you're worst move is not knowing what "black helcopterish" is... It meant it was conspiratorial... as in "irrational" ....

But if you want to know what some of things dev's have done in commercial programming that they don't announce to the free help...buy me a beer sometime and I'll show you.... =D
If you're in So Cal I might just take you up on that deal. :p While working at Blizz I've met someone in the 82nd Air Borne, an F-16 pilot and I have a friend from a former Catholic school that I attended in OC who is now in the Green Barrets. :p

I am, down to my very heart, am idealist. Maybe that my ultimate undoing ... but I refuse to let that go. As George Carlin quoted ... a cynic is just a disappointed idealist. :p I've lived a life of privilege that had nothing to do with what I've accomplished in my life ... I have no inclination that I understand even a fration of what's really going on ... but if I can just unravel a tiny bit to the masses ... maybe I might be some good. Maybe, just maybe ... I might be worth some kind of historical note. Not that I care about that. I just really hope the message of the masses get out.

This is getting a little off track, mostly because I'm drunk out of my mind ... but I'm tired of the shadow. Tired of the veil. It's time the world saw the rest of the world for what it is ... and determine it's own retaliation.
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# 27
02-02-2010, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
Hey gang,

I talked about this recently here:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=96466

Thanks,

Stormshade
Whoops thanks!
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# 28
02-02-2010, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by overloadu View Post
I really see no difference than purchasing C-Store points to get a new uniform or to purchase an new character slot, currency just appears to be a no brainer. There are other mmo's that do it, and have cut out the godl farmers.

No mind you these are free to play games, yet you can purchase currency from them directly to purchase things.

To name a few:

DDO
Anarchy Online
Runes of Magic
The issue is that when you do do that you tread very very close to being a financial institution. So you have to watch that perspective very carefully. Second is that the IRS, Congressmen/senators, and local governments have been look at "cash for Currency" very closely. They see it as another transaction to tax. To have a major title like STO do that model would give people enough incentive to start using their lawmaking pens. Something the games industry as a whole does not want.

Think of it like this...The reason you do not pay sales tax over the internet is due to an act of congress. This act comes up for review every few years. Due to the budget crisis congress was seriously thinking about repealing the act allowing all good bought over state lines to be taxable by the state they are entering. Fortunately, they did not repeal the act.

But imagine how much money changes hands in these micro pay systems...then to throw gas on the fire, toss in major MMO's allowing cash to currency transactions. Allot of people would be very interested in that money. Especially with the economy being down. That is why Cryptic and even Atari would not do it...they have more to loose then to gain.
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# 29
02-02-2010, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by someGit View Post
AO started selling credits? ...Or do you mean points...like Cryptic?


Either way, I think I agree with you... They might as well just sell the credits themselves...except that it would undermine the credibility of the game's economy, which is what a lot of players come to MMO's for...

As long as it's lawless communists that are making money off of credit selling, the game company not only retains credibility, it becomes as much a victim as you are...

Hmmmm
Points, credits, gold... all the same to me lol
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# 30
02-02-2010, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SyberSmoke View Post
The issue is that when you do do that you tread very very close to being a financial institution. So you have to watch that perspective very carefully. Second is that the IRS, Congressmen/senators, and local governments have been look at "cash for Currency" very closely. They see it as another transaction to tax. To have a major title like STO do that model would give people enough incentive to start using their lawmaking pens. Something the games industry as a whole does not want.

Think of it like this...The reason you do not pay sales tax over the internet is due to an act of congress. This act comes up for review every few years. Due to the budget crisis congress was seriously thinking about repealing the act allowing all good bought over state lines to be taxable by the state they are entering. Fortunately, they did not repeal the act.

But imagine how much money changes hands in these micro pay systems...then to throw gas on the fire, toss in major MMO's allowing cash to currency transactions. Allot of people would be very interested in that money. Especially with the economy being down. That is why Cryptic and even Atari would not do it...they have more to loose then to gain.
I am Canadian, so laws that affect American companies are clear as mud. If you say so, then it must be true. Wonder how the other companies are doing it then. I mean come on DDO is a Turbine game and it sells points which can be used in their DDO store.. .so instead of calling it currency you call it points, and those points get you items. Does that not circumvent the online currency watch dog?
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