Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 91
02-02-2010, 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by someGit View Post
AO started selling credits? ...Or do you mean Cryptic?

Either way, I think I agree with you... They might as well just sell the credits themselves...except that it would undermine the credibility of the game's economy, which is what a lot of players come to MMO's for...

As long as it's lawless communists that are making money off of credit selling, the game company not only retains credibility, it becomes as much a victim as you are...

NCsoft have an "agreement" with the sellers in their home country Korea (the US office takes its orders from them) to turn a blind eye in exchange for a cut of the profits for this precise reason. It's totally legal, totally deniable (which they do loudly when anyone calls them on the evidence and delete anything associated with it) and the only way in which it is bad for them as a business is the PR side if someone manages to expose them good and properly - in the end they have an obligation to shareholders to go for the course that enables maximum amount of profit, morals don't come into it.

Especially when it comes to games, which non-gamers rarely could care less about (the same reason why companies can get away with this kind of stuff with no regulation from governments, games are just not high in priorities whereas if TV did similar they would be up in arms. It's exactly the same reason why governments haven't done anything about nVidia bribing some developers to exclusively support their cards better "The way it's meant to be played" scheme than.competitors (ATI/AMD), but when Microsoft (which pretty much everyone uses some kind of product from, especially governments who are even still using internet explorer 6 a lot of the time) engages in anti-competitive measures it very quickly turns into anti-trust time in US and EU...

Needless to say if I ever find out Cryptic/Atari engage in similar practices (they are tarred slightly by their former affiliation with NCsoft) I'll make sure as hell people know through my own contacts.

Originally Posted by kosh800 View Post
you also run into the problem of rerouting their IPs through Indonesia, Australia, and even the Cuban Isles (true story).

To be honest I was never in the higher echelon of Blizz communication so I have no idea why they didn't just outright ban IP access from China, or Asia for that matter ... so I can't really tell you why they didn't.

All I can tell you is that it was a giant pain int he ass to track down and ID the problem makers. That was with a staff of 30 or more people at 24 hours 7 days a week. Most of our database searches were done over night as to not stress the servers during play time but even then ... it was far too much to handle.

I hope what I'm saying makes it to the STO leads sp they can determine a good combat strat. This isn't a game you're playing anymore. It's an all out war with another nation that refuses to acknowledge your laws and rules as far as gaming and businesses are concerned.

Do what Blizzard didn't have the balls to do. Take the gloves off and tell them, with out any notion other than the fact, "NO!" You will not stand for anything less. You will not abide while they attempt to leach off of you ... you will not accept that they are a nu sense that you must deal with. Give them a clear an undeniably equivocate, "NO!"
Originally Posted by Soradon
Are you serious? They knew from day one that there would be RTMers. So for the ONLY MMO to come close to combating the issue would be eve online. They are the only ones to have banned enough RTMers and offer an alternative to make it viable to keep RTMers out. STO has no such system, nor have I even seen an attempt outside of the MMO standard of just banning accounts.

Dont be fooled, cryptic couldnt care less. They have other issues to worry about right now. I doubt we will ever see anything, or any sort of system that will deter these gold sellers.

Tell you what, offer credits for cryptic points and be AGGRESSIVE with banning accounts and you will actually see a decline. Dont take the lazy way out and rely on the community to get rid of RTMers. Because obviously there is a market for it.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 92
02-02-2010, 08:46 PM
I have had 6 mails from the credit spammers in the last two day. I already sent a ticket in to the GMs.

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