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# 11
02-03-2010, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloodlance View Post
1. Klingons are experienced OB CB players who play 90%+ in premades. Thus your normal fed pug looses 99% the time (cruisers x 5 in T2 is a tough one, depending if they have dedicated healer)

2. Last night our team lost 2 ships to feds as they had a player who detected us over 10km away (this needs high aux and approperiate skill).

3. When combat starts and one Fed runs away, we cant follow him as there is a wall of mines in front of us and we take heat on frontal shields (atleast 1 of us) (i have seen multiple klingons die to mines when the battle is waged in a intense mess)

4. Fedball effect will be always the same, even with Klingons if we have cloak or we dont. Piling up in a 5vs5 is a must. So your byproduct theory is utter crap.

5. Even if you find the 5 Klingons in a Stealth, what would you do? shoot at them ? ofc. and then its the same situtation 5vs5 and combat starts. (with approperiate talent and high aux, you find every klingon 100% inside 10km).

6. If 10km+ is not enuff to detect a cloak, then i just have to say it " learn the game, before you post ".

7. Rarely when i pug, if Klingons loose 5(fed) - 0(Klingon) , we suicide to fedball. So its 100% the same on our side, it has nothing to do with Stealth, but everything to do with quick exp.

8. Any possible thing in game that lets EVERY Fed or Klingon to detect stealth 100% the time inside X km is a element in game that is gamebreaking.

9. 5vs5 space DM is a quick game, IF Klingon team gets inside as full team. Usually we lack 1 or 2 players and thus will not attack until we have even teams with Federation team. ( you would do the same, dont lie ).

10. Cloak atm works just as it should, if you know how/what is needed, you can detect cloak over 10km away.

11. You didnt say what tier you play ? if its T1, your post is a joke (T1 is tutorial) , IF its T2, well Klingons in general are much more experienced then Feds so go figure the outcome. When we play against Feds, they generally die pretty fast, no one of them repairs their team mates, and they play SOLO mode in a ball. Thus meaning when we have Klingon players who heal over 50 000 in one game x 3, what you think will happen ?

12. Its all about Team work, Team play and helping your Friend who is focused. If you cant help him, you fail, your fault that your team lost, not the enemys OP Stealth or dps.

13. Feds play solo play 99% the time, thats PUG for you. ( team up and just go with the Zerg and solo play ). = recipe for fail and loosing.
All your stat making up aside, I play Klingon Tier 3 currently, Tier 4 tomorrow. I play nothing but pugs except for when I join random pugs for a couple more games. It doesn't take any coodination.

Most people do switch on RSP, but it doesn't matter. Can you coordinate mid fight with a pug to change targets? Most can't.
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# 12
02-03-2010, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTray View Post
All your stat making up aside, I play Klingon Tier 3 currently, Tier 4 tomorrow. I play nothing but pugs except for when I join random pugs for a couple more games. It doesn't take any coodination.

Most people do switch on RSP, but it doesn't matter. Can you coordinate mid fight with a pug to change targets? Most can't.
Yea and other Klingons on THAT level have played so much PvP that you have it in your back bone.

Escorts primary, Science 2nd and Cruisers last. Survival CDs POP POP POP, Help the friend with Science team I etc etc extend shields. (+ Klingons use talents that counters the enemys healing, ive NEVER seen a fed break a extend shield talent )

Feds just dont do that. They are like sunday drivers on crack. sorry but its true.
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# 13
02-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Right now PvP is just nothing but stupid in this game. It's absolutely no fun to play a faction that can never go on the offensive. That has only one valid strategy and that's to huddle together because they can't do a single damn thing that is in any way proactive, because they can't see their enemies, ever.

Then this entire idiotic thing with evasive meneuvers + engine battery. What a gooddamn piece of crap that is. If a Klingon ship gets target it can simply accelerate to 3km/s, drop combat and cloak and thereby reset the fight. Sure, a federation ship can technically do the same, but it doesn't help you any, because you're still visible afterward, your enemies will simply keep coming after you, not to mention the only "safe" place is the ball of ships you're forced into, so by running away from it you may have saved yourself for the moment, but you're just setting yourself up to get ganked by whoever is out there that you can't even see.

A game where an entire faction has absolutely perfect stealth is just dumb. Nothing but dumb. There is no strategy for federation players, because there is nothing for you to attack. You can only wait.

And there is no way to reset a fight as a Federation player, because you can't just turn your ship invisible and wait for a new opportunity to strike. If you're in a fight then you're in it for good. You can't run and hide the second it doesn't go your way.


Cryptic doesn't seem to understand that picking your battles is 90% of winning, and the way the game is currently set up only one faction gets to pick their battles and that faction just happens to also be able to reset any fights that they didn't pick well.
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# 14
02-03-2010, 01:18 AM
man ... reading all these replies ... gotta love that "Klingons are just better players" bandwagon ...

sure you are ... keep telling yourself that ... its got nothing to do with the fact that since last klingon overhaul in OB the picture turned 180 from fed dominated to klingon dominated ...

lets just try this ... give fed escorts cloak and see how that works ... but dont come crying when you actually start to loose games ... ive played klingon live up to the middle of T2 and its stupidly easy ... you dont even need to form a team ...

and dont come whining about cruisers in T2 ... even without them its 90% klingon wins ...
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# 15
02-03-2010, 01:25 AM
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So all you guys have is "get out of tier 1?"

I was admiral in open beta. I'm already level 25. What the heck level are YOU? Can anyone in this forum say they're a higher level than me? I'd love to see it.

Edit - Sorry, 26.
im lvl 28 klingon my fleetmates are 30+
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# 16
02-03-2010, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rothnang
Right now PvP is just nothing but stupid in this game. It's absolutely no fun to play a faction that can never go on the offensive. That has only one valid strategy and that's to huddle together because they can't do a single damn thing that is in any way proactive, because they can't see their enemies, ever.

Then this entire idiotic thing with evasive meneuvers + engine battery. What a gooddamn piece of crap that is. If a Klingon ship gets target it can simply accelerate to 3km/s, drop combat and cloak and thereby reset the fight. Sure, a federation ship can technically do the same, but it doesn't help you any, because you're still visible afterward, your enemies will simply keep coming after you, not to mention the only "safe" place is the ball of ships you're forced into, so by running away from it you may have saved yourself for the moment, but you're just setting yourself up to get ganked by whoever is out there that you can't even see.

A game where an entire faction has absolutely perfect stealth is just dumb. Nothing but dumb. There is no strategy for federation players, because there is nothing for you to attack. You can only wait.

And there is no way to reset a fight as a Federation player, because you can't just turn your ship invisible and wait for a new opportunity to strike. If you're in a fight then you're in it for good. You can't run and hide the second it doesn't go your way.


Cryptic doesn't seem to understand that picking your battles is 90% of winning, and the way the game is currently set up only one faction gets to pick their battles and that faction just happens to also be able to reset any fights that they didn't pick well.
Perfect post. I agree completely. Also, it's funny because in tier 2 it was a little more balanced and I kept telling the feds, "just wait until I get my cruiser." It's just ridiculous now. You add the capability to tank and support to the initial strategy and cloaking and the tables are just not fair. Sorry to be the one who has to spread the bad news.
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# 17
02-03-2010, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ocharni View Post
man ... reading all these replies ... gotta love that "Klingons are just better players" bandwagon ...

sure you are ... keep telling yourself that ... its got nothing to do with the fact that since last klingon overhaul in OB the picture turned 180 from fed dominated to klingon dominated ...

lets just try this ... give fed escorts cloak and see how that works ... but dont come crying when you actually start to loose games ... ive played klingon live up to the middle of T2 and its stupidly easy ... you dont even need to form a team ...

and dont come whining about cruisers in T2 ... even without them its 90% klingon wins ...
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1. Give us Cruisers in T2

2. IF you get cloak, your shield and hull has to be nerfed like ours is. (means your escorts pretty much suck at that point, and welcome to the club).

3. There is no idea of giving Stealth to Feds as it breaks the immersion and when i play this game Immersion is the biggest reason i play it, the actual game is not so great itself, but the athmosphere when i know i am a Klingon and i stalk my pray etc. Ofc Romulans will have cloak, but thats part of the Star Trek universe lore etc.

4. Even if you get cloak, your aft will be handed to you. Trust me, Federation Pugs with Stealthers will only mean that your Cruisers will be alone and the PuG escorts will stroll in the middle while Cruisers are crying for help. THATS A FACT.
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# 18
02-03-2010, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JustTray View Post
Perfect post. I agree completely. Also, it's funny because in tier 2 it was a little more balanced and I kept telling the feds, "just wait until I get my cruiser." It's just ridiculous now. You add the capability to tank and support to the initial strategy and cloaking and the tables are just not fair. Sorry to be the one who has to spread the bad news.
Then tell me, ive played over 100 PvP games (5vs5 Cracked planetoid) and ive seen 0 extend shields on Federation players. TELL ME why ?

How can you even say that we are OP, when your teams dont even support themselves ?

How can you demand anything when your Pugs play like **** and demand totally retarded things like instant cloak detection under 5km for all and nerf klingon shields etc ? what in the targ are you thinking ?

You can agree but the information given is flaved, you cant compare a team that has almost 0 support players who know what they are doing. Trust me our healer does 50 000 -75 000 in a tight game vs Feds and we have 4 players who can heal, but they focus on DPS instead and when someone needs help they start HELPING.

Fed teams suck aft big time, you have Science players but they have **** talents that dont help the team at all. Its totally inexperience thats showing in the 5vs5 games on fed side. And i put my hand on a bible and state this => ITS THE TRUTH.
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# 19
02-03-2010, 02:18 AM
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...its got nothing to do with the fact that since last klingon overhaul in OB the picture turned 180 from fed dominated to klingon dominated ...
Klingon overhaul? Nothing changed besides the T1 BoP getting good equipment.
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# 20
02-03-2010, 02:40 AM
Quote:Originally Posted by ocharni
...its got nothing to do with the fact that since last klingon overhaul in OB the picture turned 180 from fed dominated to klingon dominated ...


Quote:Originally Posted by Acehilator
Klingon overhaul? Nothing changed besides the T1 BoP getting good equipment.


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Haha, see ? totally sunday drivers OVERHAUL, DPS INCREASE, SHIELDS BOOSTED, OMG OMG NERF KLINGONS.

haha, i can only say more mushies to Feds, you guys need to wake up from the coma you r in.
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