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# 21
02-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monthar
Let me guess, you're still in T1? I've seen plenty of Cloaked Klingon NPCs in T2+
Yea, except they always have one uncloaked one with them so you can acctually find and engage them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
You're going to have to think to beat us.
Oh really? I do? Seems to me more like your cloak makes any thought on my part irrelevant acctually. Just get in a pile and wait, don't bring escorts. That doesn't require any thought.
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# 22
02-04-2010, 09:03 PM
The Klinks here say the truth and nothing more. A well organized fed team will own a klink team everytime due to game mechanics and tatics. If your getting owned, your not organized, don't know your ship or played way to much pve.

The klinks need more love if you ask me and I only played them in beta for testing. But from what many of us have seen, they are very viable, but we have some exploiting stacks that make it pretty much impossible for klnks to take out in an organized fleet. because of this , many as in my fleet have opted out of pvp till these issues are fixed.

Most of what is posted in complaints here is just silly.
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# 23
02-04-2010, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chaintm View Post
The Klinks here say the truth and nothing more. A well organized fed team will own a klink team everytime due to game mechanics and tatics. If your getting owned, your not organized, don't know your ship or played way to much pve.

The klinks need more love if you ask me and I only played them in beta for testing. But from what many of us have seen, they are very viable, but we have some exploiting stacks that make it pretty much impossible for klnks to take out in an organized fleet. because of this , many as in my fleet have opted out of pvp till these issues are fixed.

Most of what is posted in complaints here is just silly.
Beta klinks are not the same as Live klinks. Especially since many of the Fed's stuff got nerfed during OB.
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# 24
02-04-2010, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalnar
I think OP isnt playing T4+ because he did miss the part of 5 vorchas in klingonball extending shields on each other and using beams of doom agains 5 escorts without cloak
Your fault for not having tankage and healage yourselves..

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# 25
02-04-2010, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Emn1ty View Post
Beta klinks are not the same as Live klinks. Especially since many of the Fed's stuff got nerfed during OB.
Nothing got nerfed in OB.
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# 26
02-04-2010, 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalnar
I think OP isnt playing T4+ because he did miss the part of 5 vorchas in klingonball extending shields on each other and using beams of doom agains 5 escorts without cloak
so you team up with escorts only, you must be the Zun Joda of Star Trek.
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# 27
02-04-2010, 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emn1ty View Post
Beta klinks are not the same as Live klinks. Especially since many of the Fed's stuff got nerfed during OB.
Yes our Cannons got nerfed as Klingons, but you must live in a different "special" universe as Feds didnt get any nerfs.
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# 28
02-04-2010, 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalnar
I think OP isnt playing T4+ because he did miss the part of 5 vorchas in klingonball extending shields on each other and using beams of doom agains 5 escorts without cloak
Dude any time you're stuck with 5 escorts you're going to get screwed. How do you think klingons feel at T2 against cruiser/science teams? Come on now. 5 BoP's vs 5 cruisers is also almost always going to go to the cruisers.
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# 29
02-05-2010, 12:09 AM
I do random teams only, cant kinda choose with whoom im in battle. But it wasnt meant as whine. Just found the OP "roles" interesting, as exact opposite happens alot in higher tiers :p klingonball vs fed escorts without cloak :p the difference here is obvious (without cloak) :-)
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# 30
02-05-2010, 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Cid
STO PvP is between very different factions. Let's go over those differences:

Klingons
- Intended to attack
- Intended to ambush
- Sacrifice survivability for firepower
- Ships designed for one on one engagements

Federation
- Intended to defend
- Intended to support one another
- Emphasize robust construction and cooperation
- Ships designed to be flexible and sturdy

Go with your strengths, and exploit our weaknesses. We are certainly doing that for ourselves, but we've had a bit of a headstart since many of us were in CB and OB (at 10% of your gaming population, we Klingons could very well have all been in closed and open beta).
I don't find your list realistic in game canon. You're not the only one that's played CB and OB. I've played both Klingon and Fed.

First of all, Klingons sacrificing survivability for firepower is completely inaccurate as is the statement about the 1v1. Klingons have access to the the BO abilities as Feds do and those abilities have A LOT to do with survivability. I will add that cloaking gives the ability for "pack hunting". Generally, when you see one Klingon uncloak to fire, you'll see 1+ more to Alpha strike.

Secondly, Feds aren't made for total defense. That's fairly straight forward. Both factions are intended to support one another as well as cooperation. And if Feds must have taken the generic "China" route on making these ships b/c Fed Escorts go down very fast.

Feds at lower level PvP, in Beta, had the upper hand...I can admit that. Klingons, at the range of T3 (possibly T4-5) have the upper hand. You can't shoot what you can't see and you can't stealth from being nerfed.

MES is a totally different and long topic to talk about. It did need a small nerf, yet, it was the only ability that really gave Escorts a fighting chance against an Alpha strike from pack hunters. Now, with sensors max'd, a Klingon player can target you from 15 KM away. It's not a viable skill...period. When you have several players focusing, no group heals or any other abilities will help you as a glass cannon. You can't stealth or target until someone decloaks... I know that sounds like whining but...in all honestly...it's the truth.

In short, yes Feds need to coordinate better, but Klingons do have the upper hand in T3 PvP...straight out.
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