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# 21
02-05-2010, 08:29 PM
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Yeah I currently have V ridges but I'll check the Xindi ones as well. Still want the Hair to be right though. Great post this though I could give rep I would
Your lovely lady bumps are plenty.
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# 22
02-05-2010, 08:57 PM
Romulans ARE Vulcans! They come from the same species.
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# 23
02-05-2010, 09:01 PM
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Romulans ARE Vulcans! They come from the same species.
Humans ARE Monkeys! They come from the same species.

They're two very different races with thousands of years of seperation. It's not like 100 years ago Romulans decided to up and split. While they share similarities, there are physical differences.
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# 24
02-05-2010, 09:11 PM
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Humans ARE Monkeys! They come from the same species.

They're two very different races with thousands of years of seperation. It's not like 100 years ago Romulans decided to up and split. While they share similarities, there are physical differences.
Technically they did but they're completely different still.
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# 25
02-05-2010, 10:49 PM
I agree it would be nice for Cryptic to add a V forehead and a V haircut, they had better keep adding to the creator..as people still cant create some of their favorite species. age should also be seperate from complexion, its currently impossible to have an aged Cardassian. Also, no matter what I do to my face..it still looks the same..everyones face seems to look the same to me.
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# 26
02-05-2010, 10:50 PM
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I agree it would be nice for Cryptic to add a V forehead and a V haircut, they had better keep adding to the creator..as people still cant create some of their favorite species. age should also be seperate from complexion, its currently impossible to have an aged Cardassian. Also, no matter what I do to my face..it still looks the same..everyones face seems to look the same to me.
There are only a couple preset facial configurations. Most people just go with those. I tend to go in and tweak my own, but the models used in each of my guides are all the same facial configuration (default). It's probably the one you're most used to seeing if you look closely.
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# 27
02-06-2010, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaime
Humans ARE Monkeys! They come from the same species.

They're two very different races with thousands of years of seperation. It's not like 100 years ago Romulans decided to up and split. While they share similarities, there are physical differences.
No romulans are literally Vulcans. They are simply a different nation of them. The Forehead ridges are there because the TNG makeup artists did not realize that. There is not enough time for the Romulans to physically evolve such a major change.
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# 28
02-06-2010, 01:08 AM
Awesome guides bro! Thanks a ton! As for the ridges, I thought Dual Furrowed Spines was the Cryptic-intended Romulan forehead detail.
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# 29
02-06-2010, 05:09 AM
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No romulans are literally Vulcans. They are simply a different nation of them. The Forehead ridges are there because the TNG makeup artists did not realize that. There is not enough time for the Romulans to physically evolve such a major change.
Why not?

The romulans supposedly left Vulcan arond 800bce, that's 3000ish years of seperation. If they had evolved a 6th finger and wings I'd agree with you, but cranial ridges becoming more/less pronounced over that time isn't outside the realm of possibility.

I've seen it postulated that the ridges are actually an indication of telepathic power. That on ancient Vulcan how pronounced the ridges were would have indicated how weak a person's psychic powers were. When they split the majority of the people who left were of weaker telepathic capability, and possibly wanted it that way, knowing how destructive uncontrolled telepathy had been to them in the past. So over the generations the more prominent ridges became the norm as less telepathically active mates became more desirable. Same way people on Earth are becoming taller, it's purely cosmetic evolution because desirable mates are the "tall, dark, and handsome" type.
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# 30
02-06-2010, 09:39 AM
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Why not?

The romulans supposedly left Vulcan arond 800bce, that's 3000ish years of seperation. If they had evolved a 6th finger and wings I'd agree with you, but cranial ridges becoming more/less pronounced over that time isn't outside the realm of possibility.

I've seen it postulated that the ridges are actually an indication of telepathic power. That on ancient Vulcan how pronounced the ridges were would have indicated how weak a person's psychic powers were. When they split the majority of the people who left were of weaker telepathic capability, and possibly wanted it that way, knowing how destructive uncontrolled telepathy had been to them in the past. So over the generations the more prominent ridges became the norm as less telepathically active mates became more desirable. Same way people on Earth are becoming taller, it's purely cosmetic evolution because desirable mates are the "tall, dark, and handsome" type.
That's not a bad theory, though it's worth pointing out that some sources point out that the Remans are what happened to all of the Vulcans in the original journey away from Vulcan itself ended up being after three thousand years of being a slave caste to the Romulans.

We also have to factor in that we're leaving out a few major points in Romulan evolution - the fact they dealt with prolonged space travel (something we know has a profound effect on the human body over long periods, much less on the evolutionary tract) and a major shift in environment (moving from one planet to another, and from one star-type to another). There may have been any number of radiation changes in the differences in solar systems on Vulcan and Romulus (and Remus), in addition to specific kinds of flora/fauna affecting the diet (introducung different kinds of materials your body has to learn to process), gravity changes, and even the chemical mix in the atmosphere.

That's a lot of stuff changing that can really screw things up over 3,000 years. While not an entirely different species from the Vulcans, the comparison to Humans and Monkeys may well be accurate in this case. It'd be like if we sent people to live on the moon now, and checked back three thousand years later - we'd classify them as an almost entirely different species due to the number of changes not just culturally, but the physical adapations to the environment (which is covered in a very awesome novel by Isaac Asimov, The Gods Themselves).
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