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# 11
03-17-2010, 11:05 AM
I joined the Klingon Empire for two reasons:
PvP
PvP and cloak.
Although some added grind contedn would be nice, I don't need a joined trill to kill feds, pretty colors on my ship with different hulls or bright lights on my bridge and different uniforms, an addition to the content for some veriety would be nice.
I could definitely go for some sort of House building with a starbase or some other variation, conquer and hold a planet from the federation scum or something new, but right now, I am content.
I have rolled my third Klink (yeah I'm a slow learner) but still really enjoy the PvP that I was expecting from the start.
If I really wanted more PvE content, I would (ugh) roll a Fed and fly from planet to planet collecting "crafting junk" and scanning astroids and other such things.
Wow I just bored myself...sorry.
Some new stuff would be great...I do agree on the reduced sub...awesome idea, but for now, I'll log on for a bit and kill feds and log into another MMO and enjoy that, while waiting for more updates.
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# 12
03-17-2010, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgecase View Post
While I can empathize with your position that the KDF is getting second-rate treatment, I find the defeatist attitude of the vocal minority to be rather melodramatic. Did you really sign up to be a Klingon because you wanted pretty faces and extra races? Because you expected more to the "PvP-centric faction" than PvP?

From where I stand, the Klingon empire is delivering the content I want just fine. Short PvP queues, adequate character advancement, and access to major endgame content as is it released (currently STFs). I don't harbor any delusions that a company in triage mode ISN'T going to do what benefits the most players first. Do you have some odd sense of entitlement that leads you to believe otherwise?

PvP is the soul of the Klingon game. That Klingons receive equal access to major new PvE content (STFs at release) is simply a welcome bonus. As long as the PvP experience itself gets attention and upgrades in due time, and Klingon access to it remains adequate, I believe I will continue to find it sufficient. If it does not, I will adapt or depart.

When it comes down to it, you have the same options. If you really feel so compelled to make a big preachy deal of the issue, then at least have some concrete demands. What IS it that you want, specifically, that Cryptic can provide in a resource-efficient manner? If it is Klingon-specific, how would you justify the allocation of writers, designers, and coders to a project that only perhaps 15% of the playerbase will ever see?

Either way, enough with the sensationalism and whining. I've seen perfectly decent posts from several of you, so I know you're capable of making them. This pitiful cry for attention, however, is not one of them.
OK.. and don't view this as an attack, I am simply highlighting some topics.

Vocal minority. Made me chuckle, i remember being part of the vocal minority in SWG during the NGE disaster.. 5 years later, that game is still upside down. Guess the Vocal Minority, you know the 85% of the player population that left... enjoyed the change there.

how does that relate to STO? same principle, everyone knows those on the forums are not the total makeup of a games community, perhaps we are 'whining' because it's the only way to get attention? You know how the Fed's Whine about Klingon cloaks back in beta, and had a fairly high up dev roll a klingon to check the balance after a nerf came through. It was changed back, by the way.

Since it's concept, Klingons never wanted to be 'monsterplay' uh.. I mean PvP concept only. PvP advance only, fight other Klingons when the Fed's won't so we can advance, missions to advance via pvp...etc.

We wanted a immersive feel to our Star Trek universe as well, but Cryptic had a deadline, ok I get that. Cryptic had to ship 2 factions, ok I get that. Cryptic promised more content.. Ok we're waiting... Yet now the 45 day patch is here, and we get the Pakleds as a playable race for the Feds.. WTF??

Pakleds? does 15% of the community even know what species they were? Or that only 2 Pakleds were ever named, as they had 1 episode on TNG? Oh right they were background camera fodder on DS9..

I mean, Klingon's can't even see their BO's if we visit our bridge, WE can't customize our ships like the Fed's, We're asking for content and stuff to do.. but I guess the time is better spent making items for the C-store, right?

And don't kid yourself.. The 'short PvP que' is going to evaporate once Fed v Fed is introduced... Great the PvP faction has to play by it's self over in the corner.. Don't believe me? goto tribble.

As for what do we want? that's harder to clarify. Each player want's something specific to keep them hooked. I know what I want, but it will never come to STO. We asked for it back in pre-beta, but this is the direction they wen't and I have to accept that.

(In case you were wondering- I wanted to be a Ferengi blackmarket trader. The Nausicaan pirate. An Orion smuggler, independant faction type supplier of goods. going about, exploring new deals, staying below the radar of the local customs as I traded goods accross the war zone front lines... but that would require a player run economy, and a more suitable crafting implementation, and oh I don't know Social content... )

What I'd like to see is an abolishment of the current PvP que system. something that ranked 3rd to last in most liked, and 2nd in least liked. in favor of an established persistent Neutral zone. however, Cryptic adimantly says PvP will be concentual, as we don't want Negh'vars over Sol.

That's fine, I don't want to chase little nublets about the starter area, and a established persistent Neutral zone is Consentual. If you want to fight, you head to the war zone.. want to PvE, go mission..

Drop the current que for 4 zones, so when you enter one, your still in que for the others, and holding a spot.. allowing the 5 v 1 we constantly experience.

I think even the Fed's have shown the PvP is borked looking at the last poll results..

And as for your only 15% playerbase will experience comment... last week we were at 20%, A shame 25%of us all decided to quit while waiting for content.. At this rate, It will be a Fed only experience.. Hrmm.. maybe that's why they are implementing Fed v Fed..
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# 13
03-17-2010, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonenili
OK.. and don't view this as an attack, I am simply highlighting some topics.
I don't view discussion as an attack on anybody, but I do view the OP's whining as an attack on our collective dignity as a playerbase. :p

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Originally Posted by Tonenili
Vocal minority.
I'm not saying posters aren't correct. I'm saying that wailing resignation doesn't represent the collective whole. In reality, I'd estimate that the vast majority of Klingon players already left some time ago - more precisely, put the game "on hold" while waiting for some improvement. It's not all that different from the trend on the Federation side.

My point? The milk is spilled. No point in crying, and please don't try to suck it out of the rug. Instead, STO's population seems to be collectively promising something no MMO to date has ever had: a second chance. Most of the leavers are saying "I'll check back in 3 months because I see this game has potential" rather than "This game is doomed."

That's why my last comment was, instead of this foolishness, what ARE the Klingon community's demands, and what are our justifications for the resource allocation?

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Originally Posted by Tonenili
Feds get Paklols. Klingons got nada. (paraphrased)
Demographically, I would estimate that the average Federation player is much more interested in aesthetic customization than the average Klingon player. Canon-wise, the Federation also has more to draw on. It seems like a clear case of low-hanging fruit.

As far as Klingon-specific PvE content goes... I can't honestly say whether Cryptic has canned the idea on account of it not reaching enough players, or if they're holding back on announcing details because they want to do a good job on it. It's unlikely to be a quick-turnaround request, and if they release it piecemeal it'll just look half-assed again, so I doubt we'll hear anything about it one way or the other for some time.

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Originally Posted by Tonenili
And don't kid yourself.. The 'short PvP que' is going to evaporate once Fed v Fed is introduced... Great the PvP faction has to play by it's self over in the corner.. Don't believe me? goto tribble.
Been on Tribble, but there's zero people on at all, so it's hardly a meaningful data sample. I'm a strong supporter of faction-agnostic queues, for what it's worth (queue for a map, fight a group from whichever faction is available first in the queue).

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Originally Posted by Tonenili
As for what do we want? that's harder to clarify.
Yes, but I think that consolidating demands is the only way we'll get anything we care about. A small fraction of the population gets a correspondingly small fraction of the resource pie. If Cryptic is to follow through on their promise to deliver "what players want", doesn't it make the most sense for the players to take some initiative in expressing what they want?

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Originally Posted by Tonenili
And as for your only 15% playerbase will experience comment... last week we were at 20%, A shame 25%of us all decided to quit while waiting for content.. At this rate, It will be a Fed only experience.. Hrmm.. maybe that's why they are implementing Fed v Fed..
I pulled the number 15 out of my hat to make the point, but yes, I do agree with you that both the absolute number and relative proportion of Klingon players are shrinking. The question, again, is whether we make a clear, unified statement about what we want, or if we just keep on feeling sorry for our collective fading selves. I know which I'm in favor of.

Either way, thank you for taking the time to post a reasoned reply.
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# 14
03-17-2010, 12:46 PM
With the up coming change intended for Fire on My Mark , this factional play is pretty well over . Will the last one out please turn the lights out . I've had enough.
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# 15 ya
03-17-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of monthly subs, that will be either canceling or seriously considering it, after this fiasco. Myself included.

NOTE TO CRYPTIC: One would have thought, Tabula Rasa, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Champions Online of your own IP's woulda been enough XP to show you what NOT to do, and what TO do...guess not.
Oh, and let's not forget the path of Conan and Hellgate:London. Both had massive potential, but fell flat, not to mention Star Wars and Warhammer. A combination of nerfs, misguided balances, lack of content, bugs, and the like KILLED them. A polite warning, take a look at the HUGE NEON SIGN!!! RETHINK STO AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO IT!!

So far, 3rd let down of games since Nov. CoD:MW2, ME2, and now this.
(haven't gotten too far in FFXVIII yet)

I suggest having your employees WATCH the series from the original -> voyager, even the movies will help.
Take notes, pictures, etc so you can fix this, and get it right, and give fans the star trek they deserve, not just a fast money grab.
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# 16
03-17-2010, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
With the up coming change intended for Fire on My Mark , this factional play is pretty well over . Will the last one out please turn the lights out . I've had enough.
Lmao, the game just got out of Beta. Give them some slack.. I don't know why everyone is whining about all these things. Just because we're Klingon doesn't mean they should be able to have an advantage of Federation players.. Hell give them cloak for certian class ships.

PvE content will most likely come. Its thought that you've had enough PvE with your Federation Character, and this is the opposite, centered around PvP and Killing.

Seriously, if your giving up after this tiny update, try playing SWG under SOE, you wouldn't last one day over there.

And talking in orange bolded font, really doesn't help anything...
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# 17 Klingon Inquisition
03-17-2010, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Atoria View Post
I joined the Klingon Empire for two reasons:
PvP
PvP and cloak.
I joined the Klingon Inquistion for one reason:
Fear! ... and surprise.
TWO reasons, fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency.
Alright, THREE reasons, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Chancellor!
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# 18 TabRasa
03-17-2010, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Arcian_Darkrobe View Post
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of monthly subs, that will be either canceling or seriously considering it, after this fiasco. Myself included.

NOTE TO CRYPTIC: One would have thought, Tabula Rasa, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Champions Online of your own IP's woulda been enough XP to show you what NOT to do, and what TO do...guess not.
Actually, Tabula Rasa was developed by Destination Games (headed by Richard Garriott, aka "Lord British") and released/hosted by NCSoft, Cryptari had nothing to do with it.

(TabRasa player from closed beta up until the last second of live server time. )
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# 19
03-17-2010, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Eryxx View Post
I joined the Klingon Inquistion for one reason:
Fear! ... and surprise.
TWO reasons, fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency.
Alright, THREE reasons, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Chancellor!
You have my <3
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# 20
03-17-2010, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Eryxx View Post
I joined the Klingon Inquistion for one reason:
Fear! ... and surprise.
TWO reasons, fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency.
Alright, THREE reasons, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Chancellor!
Haha, some good reasons

Like the sig too, made me laugh xD
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