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Lt. Commander
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# 11
03-17-2010, 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kheldor9
I have all T5 KDF ships, but I usually use my Negh'Var. I don't use anything but DHCs and turrets.
Since you didn't answer the question, I'll just post everything.

Negh'Var:
Fore: 1 Dual Beam Bank, 1 Single Cannon, 1 Dual Heavy Cannon, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 3 Turrets, 1 Torpedo
Engineering Consoles: 1 RCS Mk X, 2 EPS Mk X, 1 Plasma Manifold (+6 Weapon Power)

Bird of Prey:
Fore: 1 Dual Cannon, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 2 Turrets
Engineering Consoles: 2 EPS Mk X, 1 Plasma Manifold (+6 Weapon Power)

Raptor:
Fore: 1 Dual Beam Bank, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 2 Turrets, 1 Beam Array
Engineering Consoles: 2 EPS Mk X

Of these ships, the one that uses the most power is the Raptor, which uses Beam Overload. Sustained fire, even WITH Beam Overload does not strain my weapon power.

So because I took the time to adapt to the metagame and win my battles before I fight them, that means I'm not a real Klingon? Interesting logic there, I'd figured that Sun Tzu and Kahless would be bros.
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# 12 Nerf...
03-17-2010, 09:17 PM
I dont see the big deal in these little changes for one.

I see advantages on both sides and to nullify these advantages to make us all even is ABSURD and boring.

Get angry, get excited and enjoy the game.

(I play both sides)
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# 13
03-17-2010, 09:35 PM
"We are currently investigating the status of space crits on Tribble, and if you feel you have any input to contribute, please post it here!

Thanks guys!
Stevler"


It seems that crits are out of control and will only make pvp a nightmare.[/quote]

The purpose of this thread is to isolate and eliminate the problem. Your guys detailed feedback on weapon type, powers used, etc. are contributing to that! Make sure that you also mention the normal damage you are doing and what you are fighting related to the crit you report. Thank you
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# 14
03-17-2010, 09:55 PM
Actually the change has little effect on Power Drain (depending on your power level) because its typically used in Bursts rather than sustained. Even then the effect isn't that bad,

Power refreshs as the weapon is on Cooldown and the power drain for cannons is only slightly higher than Beam per shot (10 energy for 4 shots with 4 second CD I believe versus 12 energy for 1 shot with 2 or 3 second CD on DHC's - Turrets / Single Cannons might be getting screwed if the power drain is the same as DC since all of those run on 2 sec CD's and probably need to be adjusted for :

DPS to Energy Drain modified by Weapon statistics
-Weapon effieciency [smaller weapons are generally more efficient but have reduce damage potential while bigger weapon have more damage potential but are less efficient]
-Mounting ineffiecency [turrets have more complex mounting/tracking systems that drain power based on the size/mass/stabiliisation requirements of the weapon to operate]).
(Force = Mass * Acceraleration application)
-Force = DPS
-Mass = Weapon stats (Mounting inefficiency factored into already otherwise same formula as this that affects base weapon Efficiency) * (effeciency: base weapon efficiency - power level inefficiency)
-Acceleration = Energy Drain/Energy Cycle Time(3 seconds default) * ((efficiency: base weapon effeciency - power level inefficiency)/Efficiency time unit-to-seconds conversion)

[My bad, This assumes Weapon is charged for full weapon cycle prior to firing and is designed to be consistent in performance for firing cycle not being powered raw]

Furthermore with no more Global cannon CD your DPS is getting a major boost just less sustainability and everyone is getting hit with that if the EPS nerf goes thru.
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# 15
03-17-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't see why there are freakouts here. If I am to trade sustained DPS for bonus to bursts I am all for it. As it stands my play-style revolves around turn-and-burn on BOP. I stalk the prey, decloak HYT 2-blow him up, and still have 5 seconds on my cloak timer. This change affects mainly those who try to play the tank in BoP IMO.
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# 16
03-18-2010, 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyJones View Post
Since you didn't answer the question, I'll just post everything.

Negh'Var:
Fore: 1 Dual Beam Bank, 1 Single Cannon, 1 Dual Heavy Cannon, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 3 Turrets, 1 Torpedo
Engineering Consoles: 1 RCS Mk X, 2 EPS Mk X, 1 Plasma Manifold (+6 Weapon Power)

Bird of Prey:
Fore: 1 Dual Cannon, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 2 Turrets
Engineering Consoles: 2 EPS Mk X, 1 Plasma Manifold (+6 Weapon Power)

Raptor:
Fore: 1 Dual Beam Bank, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 1 Torpedo
Aft: 2 Turrets, 1 Beam Array
Engineering Consoles: 2 EPS Mk X

Of these ships, the one that uses the most power is the Raptor, which uses Beam Overload. Sustained fire, even WITH Beam Overload does not strain my weapon power.

So because I took the time to adapt to the metagame and win my battles before I fight them, that means I'm not a real Klingon? Interesting logic there, I'd figured that Sun Tzu and Kahless would be bros.
Frosty, do YOU want to refund my Marks of Honor for all the wasted DHCs and turrets I have?

The point of having several weapons to choose from was so that we could choose what we wanted to use. I chose high damage/very low firing arc for my front end weapons. If somebody is in front of the nose of my ship then I make them pay dearly, and if I can't get the nose of my ship on them, then I do. That was my choice. However, this huge ass nerf now takes choice away from the player. I'm in a BATTLE CRUISER, taking the risk of not having firing arcs in a fight, but now, our firepower is hugely reduced unless we just dump our bound, purple frigging Marks of Honor weapons into the nearest black hole, because the devs decide to nerf us into oblivion?

No damn cannon should ever use the power that a beam array uses, ever. The negative of having a 45 degree arc says it should be so, but NOW a dual heavy cannon has a worse power drain than any weapon in the game AND a the crappiest firing arc??? What's the damn point?

Yeah, again Cryptic, I want my Marks of Honor back. We should be able to turn in our now crappy weapons for a full refund of marks, so we can adapt to having the same crap the Federation does (except escorts, they're screwed too) but have worse hulls and shields. Thanks. Installing Age of Conan again real soon if some sanity isn't restored.

I do NOT WANT MY NEGH'VAR TO BE A WEAK FED CRUISER IN WOLF'S CLOTHING.
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# 18
03-18-2010, 05:08 AM
umm why is the drain on DHC heavier than DC? after the dps of both is the same. I have been using DC mostly (prefer the more pew pew animation tbh) but with this change why would anyone go DHC, the damage might be slightly higher per hit but not per salvo and the drain is per salvo.
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# 19
03-18-2010, 08:37 AM
We are currently investigating the status of space crits on Tribble, and if you feel you have any input to contribute, please post it here!

Thanks guys!
Stevler



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It seems that crits are out of control and will only make pvp a nightmare.

The purpose of this thread is to isolate and eliminate the problem. Your guys detailed feedback on weapon type, powers used, etc. are contributing to that! Make sure that you also mention the normal damage you are doing and what you are fighting related to the crit you report. Thank you!




This statement goes to show any burst damage on test is completely accidental and a bug . This statement is part of a thread in the Test forums started by Stevler . Burst damage is a myth currently. So any statements made currently about the effects on Klingon firepower are disingenious and misleading to say the least.
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# 20
03-19-2010, 04:50 AM
What have been done to turrets? have they also been made power hungry? If so my poor carrier is going to recieve yet another boot to the nads.
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