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Lt. Commander
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# 11
03-18-2010, 10:20 AM
There are a couple of things at work here.

1. All energy weapons deal bleedthrough damage, at 10% of the total damage of the shot, minus resistances, minus any special shield behaviors (i.e. Resilient shields cut that back to 5% of total damage). Players who know what they're doing and hit cooldowns can achieve very high energy weapon damage, which in turn means that bleedthrough is not inconsiderable.

For some numbers, with all buffs (AP:Alpha, AP:Beta, EP:W, EPS Power Transfer, etc) and max weapon power, my T5 Cruiser's beams impact hull for 1800-2000 damage per beam. That's still 200ish damage to hull through shields, times six beams (though in practice not all six are firing at 125 weapon power). Against a squishier ship like a Science Vessel, you can die from bleedthrough alone.

2. Feedback Pulse is an obvious example of an attack which bypasses shields entirely.

3. Plasma weapons can leave a dot that directly damages hull, though at the moment this dot is pitifully weak and unthreatening. When the patch hits and this dot stacks, that behavior may change.

4. Directed Energy Modulation reduces the total damage output of your energy weapons but significantly increases bleedthrough. Combined with ordinary damage buffs, this can greatly increase hull damage through shields, especially from ships with heavy energy weapon loadouts and a lot of weapon power (i.e. Cruisers).

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see my hull go from 100-0 in 10-15 seconds against a couple of properly configured ships with all their damage buffs running, even through RSP and full shields. RSP is not an invincibility button, nor should it be so.

Quote:
A tractor beam will make one shield facing absolutely worthless
What? No it won't.
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# 12
03-18-2010, 12:28 PM
DEM was either not working, or not having much effect. It is possible that it got fixed, or that someone worked on how to make it effective.

I've seen odd cases where my hull AND shields vaporize instantly, and I believe there is a bug where weapons sometimes do massive excess damage. (Some code probably has a typo where 100.0 is in there as a multiplier instead of 1.0).
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# 13
03-18-2010, 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by usafdoc
Gentlemen,

I have been in many PVP battles as a klingon and as a Federation. My Kligon is a BG5 with
reverse shield polarity one and two as well as emergency power to shields. I have recently
come across certain individuals, one clan specifically that can Kill you with all three buffs
occurring one after the other. They are the only ones I have seen this with. Is there some kind of
hack they are using to eat through my shields even though using all three buff back to back?
I have looked at my combat log and they are using nothing special but beam attacks. Any help on this subject. I would hate to think people are cheating....but.
Let me know wht you think....Doc
:Snicker:

I knew you'd eventually come on here to whine. Nothing special but beam attacks? And accusing us of cheating.. w/o proof...

For shame...

How did your ticket for reporting us as cheaters turn out? They turn you away? That MIGHT be cause we're not cheating...

Several other people figured it out, you might wanna do some more research doc...

Oh, and to quote the famous Kirk.. "..I'm laughing at your superior intellect."
Lt. Commander
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# 14
03-18-2010, 08:13 PM
i believe that is why he posted, to get information. If he accused you of cheating, well I wouldn't know, nor do I care. I been called a hack and a cheater too, but whatever, right. I play the game with the tools available and lay waste to my oponents, or get spanked by them. I still have fun, but there are those moments when something unique happens, that one must question themselves, how did that happen.
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# 15
03-18-2010, 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by usafdoc
Gentlemen,

I have been in many PVP battles as a klingon and as a Federation. My Kligon is a BG5 with
reverse shield polarity one and two as well as emergency power to shields. I have recently
come across certain individuals, one clan specifically that can Kill you with all three buffs
occurring one after the other. They are the only ones I have seen this with. Is there some kind of
hack they are using to eat through my shields even though using all three buff back to back?
I have looked at my combat log and they are using nothing special but beam attacks. Any help on this subject. I would hate to think people are cheating....but.
Let me know wht you think....Doc
waahhh waaahhh. How dare you accuse us of cheating, and how dare you say our beam attacks aren't special. I'll have you know each one of our beams are special one-of-a-kind attacks, made to help you (the novice) get better at this game. So every time you die, during those repawn time outs, you have time to think about us. In short, me love you long time.
Lt. Commander
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# 16
03-19-2010, 12:13 PM
DEM, Antiproton and lowering the targest resist (which can go to negative numbers) is enough to burn through those shields an nuke your hulls. Especially escorts type ships.


That is why shields that allow less bleed through and have absorbtion are so important.

Nothing that a Hazard Emitter and Engineering team can't solve if you chose to use a 10% bleedthrough shield.

If you run across 3 or 4 Engineer Captains all with DEM even at T4 you can easily get burned down with some resist debuffs.


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Lt. Commander
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# 17
03-19-2010, 04:00 PM
I've had this happen to me as well. I'm not sure what it is. I thought it was feedback pulse, I guess not.
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# 18
03-19-2010, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wildfyre010 View Post

What? No it won't.
And this explains why I take full damage to hull thru rsp from someone using a tractor beam on me, and take only 10% damage to hull when that tractor beam wears off.
I watch my hull health at all times and when it drops really really slow then somone pops a tractor beam and it drops really really fast, that says something to me.
Maybe I am wrong and they are using something else and the tractor is just there as a joke.
But when I take 35% hull damage in a few seconds at full shields in my t5 cruiser from 1 person with a tractor beam on me I look for something to blame!
If I ever see it happen again I will make note of the buff's and my combat log, but all I see any more is decloak/snb/vm pew pew you dead.
Or carrier with 24+ pets snb/vm/ramming speed pew pew you dead.
And all the klingons say they have no science captains? Ok so I guess they just have all science bo's? w/e
Cool game but its so full of "working as intended" bugs and exploits its hard to have fun some times.
Sorry I rant at times.

Oh and I have never used beam weapons since I first ran into fbp on my first character. I like pretty beams but if it is going to kill me then why bother?
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