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# 1 I think you got it backwards
04-28-2010, 05:13 AM
I might not be the first to mention this and I realize that at this point the devs will probably not change it but I still just have to get it off my chest. I think there are some backaward categorizations of a few ships.

First, I believe that the avatars for Fleet Escorts and Advanced Escorts are backwards.

1. Scienced based ships tend to have the more unorthodoxed designs. It seems only fitting that the more unorthodoxed Fleet Escorts should be the ones with more of a science emphasis of the two.

2. Science based ships tend to have the more prominent and atypical main deflector dish to denote that they have more advanced sensors and deflectors. This is more true of the Fleet escorts than the advanced escorts.

3. You've already established that ships with 4 warp nacells are Heavy Cruisers and therefore egnineering specialty in an earlier tier. It seems only fitting then that Advanced Escorts which have 4 warp nacelles would be the escorts to have more of an engineering emphasis.

Secondly, and I know I'll get shot at for this so I'm raising sheilds now,

I believe that Heavy Escorts and Tactical Escorts should swap tiers. Heavies should be Tier 4 and possibly renamed to Long Range Escort, while Tacitcal Escorts should be demoted to tier 3.

1. It seems a bit anticlimatic not to mention awkward that Starfleet would engineer a smaller ship that is supposed to be more advanced and more powerful than a larger previous version. Obviously this is the case with the Sovereign being slightly smaller than the Galaxy design but still, a tactical escort is only half the size of a heavy escort. I also realize that this is mentioned in DS9, that the USS Defiant was more powerful than a normal ship her size but that could also simply mean that she is more powerful than a regular sized Escort such as a Sabre class. Thus you have a vessel that is equal in size to a Tier 2 but has the power of a tier 3.

2. Tactical escorts look like the natural progression from a regular escort while Heavy Escorts look like they belong with the much larger more organic design of the Tier 4 ships such as Galaxy and Intrepid.

3. Being an expert on Trek mythology (i've watched every episode) I don't belive it is hard cannon that ships in the Heavy Escort came before the Defiant. In fact quite the opposite, as far as I can tell the Heavy escorts did not appear until the movie Star Trek: First Contact, long after Commander Worf had been in command of the Defiant. Althought this is not proof that they did not exist prior to the Defiant, there is no proof that the Heavy Escorts were not designed afterwards as improved (slightly larger) versions.
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# 2
04-28-2010, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Atwell
I believe that Heavy Escorts and Tactical Escorts should swap tiers. Heavies should be Tier 4 and possibly renamed to Long Range Escort, while Tacitcal Escorts should be demoted to tier 3.
This isn't going to happen now. Far too many players would cry foul if it were to happen, similar to the demote everyone to Captain but keep the level the same idea that pops up every once in a while.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atwell
1. It seems a bit anticlimatic not to mention awkward that Starfleet would engineer a smaller ship that is supposed to be more advanced and more powerful than a larger previous version. Obviously this is the case with the Sovereign being slightly smaller than the Galaxy design but still, a tactical escort is only half the size of a heavy escort. I also realize that this is mentioned in DS9, that the USS Defiant was more powerful than a normal ship her size but that could also simply mean that she is more powerful than a regular sized Escort such as a Sabre class. Thus you have a vessel that is equal in size to a Tier 2 but has the power of a tier 3.
The Defiant was designed to fight the Borg, you can't exactly do that with powerlevels below that of a Galaxy, I exaggerate but still. The Defiant class needs to be small, needs to be maneuverable, and needs to be able to pack a wallop in a very small amount of time.

That and think of it like this, if you take a look at T4 you'll notice that the canon ships in that Tier are the ships that "stared" in ST: TNG, ST: DS9, and ST: VOY. It was a design choice to make those sought after, and well known ships put together on the same tier, while still leaving room for the player to move up to the "TNG Movie" era classes, ie the Sovereign and the Luna class*. With the Prometheus class being the oddball in the group from a later episode of ST:VOY

*I am well aware that the Luna didn't appear in ST: Nemesis, however the USS Titan was mentioned several times as Riker's new command and it has been established that the Titan is a Luna class vessel.

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Originally Posted by "Atwell
2. Tactical escorts look like the natural progression from a regular escort while Heavy Escorts look like they belong with the much larger more organic design of the Tier 4 ships such as Galaxy and Intrepid.
Bigger does not always mean better. The Galaxy Class is among the largest classes of starships every build by the Federation, but there are ships that can still fly circles around her.

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3. Being an expert on Trek mythology (i've watched every episode)
You and everyone else here, don't think you're the only expert in the mythology. Though others have seen every episode more than once and probably closer to 50 times by now.
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# 3
04-28-2010, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Atwell
3. Being an expert on Trek mythology (i've watched every episode)
Oh this is going to end well.

But to your point, if you are just speaking aethetics, I'm sure things will be tweaked as the game matures. But if you are stating, for example, that the Galaxy class should be considered more 'senior' to the Soverign class, I think you are mistaken. Given the natural progression of rank, it would have been career suicide for Picard to step down to a Soverign after commanding a Galaxy. Just the act of Picard getting the Soverign after commanding a Galaxy would dictate that the Soverign is a more advanced ship and requires a more senior officer in command than a Galaxy.
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# 4
04-28-2010, 06:23 AM
You just sound upset that the ship with the engi slot(which usually is more useful) looks like... Ok wont comment on the looks because bläergh.

And if you are such an expert... It's canon... Not cannon.
Cannons go on the escorts.
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# 5
05-09-2010, 09:16 AM
While I would agree that the Akira should be a Tier 4 and the Defiant a Tier 3. My reasons are that the Akira class came into service in around 2371 and was designated a frigate (according to something I read somewhere, don't remember, shoot me). The Defiant class while designed to fight the Borg was developed in 2366 and then put into mothballs until 2371 when it was assigned to DS9 and was designated an escort.

It seems obvious to me that the Akira class was developed after the Defiant class and only makes sense for it to be in a higher tier than the Defiant class.

Now, even with my position on this, I know three things to be true. First, the Defiant class is WAY more popular than the Akira Class. Second, its too late to be shuffling them around now, won't make a difference anyway. And third, its a game, the order doesn't really matter in the long run, how can I really get upset about two ships that I have leveled past already?

Repeat after me: "It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter!"
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