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# 161
06-09-2010, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zodi-emish
where is Q when you need him. he needs to stop this necroing, and turn the people who necro in to Oprelian amoeba.
Then they will just divide and conquer.
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# 162
06-09-2010, 09:40 PM
Neither....this forum is.
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# 163
06-09-2010, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gruug View Post
It could be possible that you are taking it too seriously what others are saying. Or, at least you may be taking it to much a personal matter that others may not agree with what you may post. Since, like this post, you are putting your opinion on an open forum you have to be aware that others are going to either agree, disagree or just shrug their shoulders and walk away. Whichever whay they go, you have to just take it as THEIR opinion as they must try to take what you write as YOUR opinion.

As I wrote the above it dawned on me that their is nothing of the kind of "hater" or "fanboi". Simply, these are titles that people assign as some way of either identity or worse as some form of degradation of the individual they disagree or agree with. In other words, just ignore the terms.
My problem is not with people disagreeing with me. I come from a background of being on debate teams; I enjoy debating, but in a debate people do tend to follows some form of a rule of conduct. When I start a thread I have a purpose in mind; the problem arises when certain individuals try to high-jack the thread and distract people from my intended purpose for the thread in an attempt to squelch any point of view that does not align with theirs. Their common means of attack usually goes along the lines of " you probably have never played a game before", and other idiotic and pointless dribble of that nature. Comments like that do not add anything to the argument they just clog up the gears of thought.
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# 164
06-09-2010, 10:25 PM
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My problem is not with people disagreeing with me. I come from a background of being on debate teams; I enjoy debating, but in a debate people do tend to follows some form of a rule of conduct. When I start a thread I have a purpose in mind; the problem arises when certain individuals try to high-jack the thread and distract people from my intended purpose for the thread in an attempt to squelch any point of view that does not align with theirs. Their common means of attack usually goes along the lines of " you probably have never played a game before", and other idiotic and pointless dribble of that nature. Comments like that do not add anything to the argument they just clog up the gears of thought.
Unfortunately, debate and rhetoric are virtually lost arts, both on the Internet and in real life. Which is awful, because we're not going to get anywhere if we just have Thesis and Antithesis and never the twain shall meet. We need Synthesis if we're ever going to break out of this cultural rut. And we get Synthesis from rational dialogue and debate.
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# 165
06-09-2010, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Delazure View Post
Fanbois are much more dangerous to STO than haters. Cryptic won't listen to haters since they basically ask Cryptic to remove the game from the market. On the other hand, they may listen to the fanbois who pretend that the game is perfect. If they do that, they'll never improve it.
you forgot the haters, who will also not be listened to as they provide nothing constructive. can't blame one and not the other when both are equal.
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# 166
06-10-2010, 01:13 AM
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Simple question, which is hurting STO more? Fanboi's that think Cryptic can do no wrong and STO is the best thing since sliced bread or Haters that think STO is the Anti Christ incarnate? I think both are equally responsible. Fire away...
The 3rd group of people.

The ones who don't visit forums, try the game and become frustrated, and/or indifferent, due to issues ranging from bugs to the grind game design, and cancel their subscription.
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# 167
06-10-2010, 01:15 AM
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Simple question, which is hurting STO more? Fanboi's that think Cryptic can do no wrong and STO is the best thing since sliced bread or Haters that think STO is the Anti Christ incarnate? I think both are equally responsible. Fire away...
Neither of these fictional creations exist. There are no fanbois. There are no haters.

The structure and culture of internet forums dictates that threads where people "agree" with each other die out quickly and are buried by more "active" threads. These threads are threads where people are arguing with each other. Because arguments go on and on and on. When people agree, they agree and move on. Because they agree. When people disagree, they keep at it and it keeps getting the top position in the forum. So it spreads as more and more people hop into the argument.

There are no haters. There are no fanbois. There are just people. Who's most popular discussions are popular because they are actively arguing with each other.

Prove me wrong. Agree with me and watch this thread slowly die.
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# 168
06-10-2010, 01:38 AM
Actually I do agree with you, but there is also last word mentality on the internet, and arguing for aguments' sake because anonymity affords it.

/end thread
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# 169
06-10-2010, 02:49 AM
well depends on what you think a Hater or Fanboi is.

This is just my opion on this.

Hater - doesn't like the game at all and does not play (unless they log in to grief) and will
post on the forums how 'bad' the game is all the time but they never suggest how to fix it.
To a Hater...if your not a hater your a fanboi

Fanboi - love the IP so much they will defend any part of the game, even the bad parts or the bugs.
They are afraid the game will go under tommorrow unless unconditional support is pledged
on the forums for it. Any complaint about the game is an attack on thier 'faith'
To a Fanboi...if you don't love the game as it is right now, your a Hater.

Which is worst? BOTH
Both of them are very bad for the game in different but equal portions.
The wrost thing they do is kill moral by labling anyone who is not with them as someone from the
other extreme.

messages to them from me.

Hater - leave
Fanboi - stop posting, play the game
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# 170
06-10-2010, 03:48 PM
You call for Q, appear I do. This necro's closed. Enjoy the view!
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